Lyon (H) - Post Match Thread

Neville Kneville said:
Most of the team were poor last night & the tactical shape also fell apart.

When Pep came here, he discovered that we needed more pace & at times physical size, atheleticism & youth, in the defence in particular & brought in the players to give us those options.

For us to maintain & improve, unless we spew all the cups & just go for the title, we need to bring more of that into the midfield.

Imo we have dodged a bullet with Jorginho. Another slow, pass recycling weakling, will not prevent the kind of thing we saw last night. All players get caught out, trying passes in tight spots, no matter how good or clever they are.

Having more pace to run away from it & more athleticism to recover it, minimises the risk when it goes wrong.

The energy of players like Foden, would help the current bunch rest more, by decreasing their workload, but we had Fernandinho legging it about at fullback weekend, instead.
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Agree 100%.
 
Marvin said:
This is probably an over reaction and just annoyance but I am getting really fed up with:

a) Gundogan, b) mahrez and c) Jesus.

All have been ineffectual for City this season.

I also feel the selection by pep was wrong. mendy was injured so fair enough play Delph, but then you must play Sane. And we should have had Bernardo inside instead of Gundogan who was useless. All he did was pass it backwards or sideways.

First game that I have felt we really missed De Bruyne.
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Harsh on Jesus, I thought he worked his arse off, but got zero service, and up against their defenders I don't know what else we expected. Aguero offered even less, and his movement was non existent as he appeared to want to play in midfield.

The problem was obvious last night, Sane should have been left, Sterling right, and Bernardo central, it affected David, Fernandhino, and both full backs, and was obvious within 5 minutes, yet took an hour to fix.
 
Think the half hearted attitude of supporters ,attendance and vocal support is transferring to the players performance in the champions league. Meeting teams from Europe whatever leagues they play in is irrelevant as they raise their game.
 
I don’t see the hy
cleavers said:
Harsh on Jesus, I thought he worked his arse off, but got zero service, and up against their defenders I don't know what else we expected. Aguero offered even less, and his movement was non existent as he appeared to want to play in midfield.

The problem was obvious last night, Sane should have been left, Sterling right, and Bernardo central, it affected David, Fernandhino, and both full backs, and was obvious within 5 minutes, yet took an hour to fix.
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aguero can make things happen himself, Jesus can’t. Sane and sterling have got much higher ceilings than Jesus, I don’t see him ever being amongst the elite.
 
Last night was deeply worrying. It's hard to think of a single player who put in a performance anything like what has become their norm and as a team their display took us back to some of the worst nights of the pre-Pep age. We had been playing about 10 minutes and I was already eerily reminded of the home leg of the League cup semi-final against Liverpool in late-2011, when we surrendered without a whimper. Last night was generally pass-and-don't-move, pass for the sake of it, stand still, don't run into space, jog-don't-run. Where was the energy, the dynamism, the intensity which was so evident last season - all those qualities that we thought Pep had made second nature to the players? The players ought to be ashamed if it was simply Pep's absence from the dressing room and dugout that led to such a drop off in their performance levels but at least we would know it won't happen again. At his introduction to us in 2016 Pep was asked to tell us about parts of his job with the players and he told us that one of them was "to kick their arses sometimes". I suspect that will be the start of the first post match training session.
 
OB1 said:
Interested to know how you define more mobile? NDombele did run all of 200 metres further than Dinho but touched the ball far less.
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Not seen the stats, but he had a very good game and would be an excellent signing
 
Watched the game and I think a mindset of we will beat this mob easily ended up parting your balls. Poor show.

Maybe the kick up the arse you need to get the mindset right. You will still qualify in a canter though. Wouldn’t worry about that.
 
From start to finish we was slow and to go on and lose wasn't surprising, you could tell early on. Be it complacency, tiredness or just a bad day at the office but something doesn't seem right. Not worrying too much, we didn't start amazingly last year and look how that turned out but Huddersfield aside I cant think of a game yet I have been really impressed by us. Resorting to pot shots from Delph outside the area summed the whole night up, only thing last night hopefully proved is when fit Mendy plays over him every time.
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
Last night was deeply worrying. It's hard to think of a single player who put in a performance anything like what has become their norm and as a team their display took us back to some of the worst nights of the pre-Pep age. We had been playing about 10 minutes and I was already eerily reminded of the home leg of the League cup semi-final against Liverpool in late-2011, when we surrendered without a whimper. Last night was generally pass-and-don't-move, pass for the sake of it, stand still, don't run into space, jog-don't-run. Where was the energy, the dynamism, the intensity which was so evident last season - all those qualities that we thought Pep had made second nature to the players? The players ought to be ashamed if it was simply Pep's absence from the dressing room and dugout that led to such a drop off in their performance levels but at least we would know it won't happen again. At his introduction to us in 2016 Pep was asked to tell us about parts of his job with the players and he told us that one of them was "to kick their arses sometimes". I suspect that will be the start of the first post match training session.
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Only if the attitude and lack of intensity continues in games like this and we don't compensate on the score sheet in games for defensive errors like last night.

The split pass from our half for Depay to run into goal one on one was probably the most worrying moment of the game for me.

We will make errors and concede poor goals but we have the side and the quality to overcome this over 95 minutes.

Even last night their was no reason we couldn't get at least something from the game after half time although we would have expected to go on and win if we scored a second but we lacked the edge to get that second.

After winning trophies in the past in a season there has always been a let down the following year and basically that comes down to mindset unless the side is crippled with injuries to too many key players.
 
Slightly off topic in terms f the game but don't know where else to put it - last night I was sat about 8 rows behind the away dugout. A fair few French players and fans around us.

With a few minutes to go an absolute yob of a city fan starting shouting fuckoff you French ****s at a few of the Lyon fans and getting highly aggressive. he was utterly embarrassing and what made it even more surprising was that he was with his wife. He must have shouted French **** twenty times in 15 minutes and there were kids about and families. I hope City identify him and ban the bastad. Utter Scum.

Madness that people can not act with more dignity and class.
 
It is quite possible that when Lyon came out the tunnel, saw the support was not full in the stadium and then the team not playing well from the start made them think we as a club were not taking the game seriously

It all plays a part in how the negative provides the positive for the opposition.
 
IMO sadly the better side on the night won fairly comfortably which is a worry but it could have been a bigger margin of defeat and hopefully we will learn from the many mistakes !!

So far a lot of talk from Pep and the players about learning from past mistakes but little evidence on last nights showing that we have done so.

Disappointing turn out but I thought the crowd tried to lift the team.

Can’t stand Warnock so time to step up a gear this weekend!

CTID
 
Tom_mcfc said:
From start to finish we was slow and to go on and lose wasn't surprising, you could tell early on. Be it complacency, tiredness or just a bad day at the office but something doesn't seem right. Not worrying too much, we didn't start amazingly last year and look how that turned out but Huddersfield aside I cant think of a game yet I have been really impressed by us. Resorting to pot shots from Delph outside the area summed the whole night up, only thing last night hopefully proved is when fit Mendy plays over him every time.
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So after one bad game Mendy should always start over Delph? Despite Mendy bring all over the place in most games he's played and the balance down the left side looking so much better with Delph playing against Fulham.
 
Craig said:
So after one bad game Mendy should always start over Delph? Despite Mendy bring all over the place in most games he's played and the balance down the left side looking so much better with Delph playing against Fulham.
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So one bad game doesn't mean Mendy should play however Delph having a good game against Fulham means he should play? People say Delph should play because defensively he is better. He was shocking last night and I like Delph. I am sure we will see Pep choose Mendy more often than not so that will be enough for me.
 
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