booking next years holidays with brexit coming

Henkeman said:
No, it doesn't. Because what they are saying is that should the EU decide to de-recognise safety certification, then it could, but since that would be a decision entirely without precedent globally, utterly moronic and totally vindictive for no good reason whatever, then that's not something to worry about especially.

It is stating what can be said about the US, Australia or anywhere else, that it is indeed possible to refuse to have any dealings with another country, and should someone effectively want to declare economic war, they can do.

So no, still not worried by worst case scenarios reliant on that declaration of war. OK?
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Thank you.
So in your view it is theoretically possible although highly unlikely.
You didn't make that clear before.
Worth noting that others are less optimistic than you.
 
Len Rum said:
Thank you.
So in your view it is theoretically possible although highly unlikely.
You didn't make that clear before.
Worth noting that others are less optimistic than you.
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It's theoretically possible that the United States could do the same tomorrow morning too. It's theoretically possible that Canada might decide to ban all transactions in Sterling. Do you really want to go through the whole list of things that are theoretically globally possible in each and every discussion point?

Posts will get very long when everyone has to caveat the latest match result saying subject to the FA not banning City for the next century.

As for optimism or pessimism, I repeat what I said at the start, that the industry are sanguine about the whole thing and working on the basis that everything will continue, which doesn't mean they shouldn't remind all parties that they need to make sure it does. There's no reason to assume anything else, unless you believe the EU to be a vindictive protection racket out to start a war. You don't believe that do you?
 
Henkeman said:
It's theoretically possible that the United States could do the same tomorrow morning too. It's theoretically possible that Canada might decide to ban all transactions in Sterling. Do you really want to go through the whole list of things that are theoretically globally possible in each and every discussion point?

Posts will get very long when everyone has to caveat the latest match result saying subject to the FA not banning City for the next century.

As for optimism or pessimism, I repeat what I said at the start, that the industry are sanguine about the whole thing and working on the basis that everything will continue, which doesn't mean they shouldn't remind all parties that they need to make sure it does. There's no reason to assume anything else, unless you believe the EU to be a vindictive protection racket out to start a war. You don't believe that do you?
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If it is such a virtual impossibility and ridiculous to even contemplate why then have the government included it as a risk in their technical notices?
 
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Henkeman said:
*sigh*

Ok, travel is my industry. I run my own business, I'm chairman of an industry trade body.

I can categorically assure you that bookings and flights for post March 2019 have been taken for months. There are no issues and no panic.

Airspace is not governed by the EU, only open skies is, and irrespective of deals or otherwise, it's business as usual, because none of your holidays are likely to involve issues such as sixth freedoms or free standing cabotage within the EU or cross border selling.

The idea that airspace would be denied is spectacularly idiotic, not least because it would entail the whole of the EU not being able to fly to the US and Canada for a start.

There are many issues about us leaving the EU, but this really is project fear stupidity, even before you get into the obvious things like Spain's economy collapsing without British tourism.

Book your holiday.
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Good news and sounds entirely sensible - there are just a lot of people that seem to want to hear bad news for the UK

Edit to say - that since this post in reply to yours of a few pages ago I have seen that you have had to take part in 'one of those exchanges'.

Fair play to you for your patience. There are quite a few on here that - in their desperate EU sycophancy - just crave to hear of millennium bug level hysteria in every aspect.

They will not give it up I suspect until years after we have left. They just morph their arguments - twisting words about what people have said to try and score cheap points on the basis of pedantry.

FWIW - there are others on here that would thank you for the commonsense that you have posted - please try not to be discouraged from posting - that is what 'the pack' seek.

Surely if there was all this supposed chaos on the horizon it would be reflected in the plans and preparation - and in particular in the pricing of flights

I have recently booked flights to Cyprus for Easter and Summer holidays - I had been holding back hoping to see some prices come down - but they (as always) only ever seem to be going up
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Good news and sounds entirely sensible - there are just a lot of people that seem to want to hear bad news for the UK

Edit to say - that since this post in reply to yours of a few pages ago I have seen that you have had to take part in 'one of those exchanges'.

Fair play to you for your patience. There are quite a few on here that - in their desperate EU sycophancy - just crave to hear of millennium bug level hysteria in every aspect.

They will not give it up I suspect until years after we have left. They just morph their arguments - twisting words about what people have said to try and score cheap points on the basis of pedantry.

FWIW - there are others on here that would thank you for the commonsense that you have posted - please try not to be discouraged from posting - that is what 'the pack' seek.

Surely if there was all this supposed chaos on the horizon it would be reflected in the plans and preparation - and in particular in the pricing of flights

I have recently booked flights to Cyprus for Easter and Summer holidays - I had been holding back hoping to see some prices come down - but they (as always) only ever seem to be going up
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Thomas Cook issue statement saying that they will not provide a refund if their flights are grounded as a result of Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption
 
mcfc1632 said:
Good news and sounds entirely sensible - there are just a lot of people that seem to want to hear bad news for the UK

Edit to say - that since this post in reply to yours of a few pages ago I have seen that you have had to take part in 'one of those exchanges'.

Fair play to you for your patience. There are quite a few on here that - in their desperate EU sycophancy - just crave to hear of millennium bug level hysteria in every aspect.

They will not give it up I suspect until years after we have left. They just morph their arguments - twisting words about what people have said to try and score cheap points on the basis of pedantry.

FWIW - there are others on here that would thank you for the commonsense that you have posted - please try not to be discouraged from posting - that is what 'the pack' seek.

Surely if there was all this supposed chaos on the horizon it would be reflected in the plans and preparation - and in particular in the pricing of flights

I have recently booked flights to Cyprus for Easter and Summer holidays - I had been holding back hoping to see some prices come down - but they (as always) only ever seem to be going up
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More they, they, they waffle with a mention of your next jollies thrown in. Only needed the 'I work for the government' line adding for mcfcwhatever bingo.
 
I don't remember flights being grounded as all the National Aviation Authorities ceded their oversight to EASA. I see no reason for it going the other way. Open Sky's does not require you to be in the EU. Licensing issues are already being dealt with. (You need an EASA license to operate an aircraft that is EU registered or a temporary endorsement as you would for aircraft not EASA registered. I've got a dozen of them in my drawer from the old days). Easy Jet has aircraft registered in many EU countries they just need to make sure their crews hold the correct licence. Uk pilots will be able to operate UK registered aircraft with their old EASA licence until it expires at which point they will be issued the same licence based on the same requirements with "EASA" removed from the Title.

It's project fear and arse covering by the airlines who wish to remain in EASA so they can carry on hiring cheap pilots from eastern europe in stead of putting some effort into training their own. There is a global shortage of pilots already and they fear they won't be able to cream the cheapest on the market anymore.
 
No no no, the world is going to end, planes wont fly, ships wont sail, an nobody gets a holiday EVER again, we just have to sit at home and reflect on how foolish we were to have left the benevolent EU. Stop talking f*cking sense at the silly buggers you`ll upset them ;0).
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I don't remember flights being grounded as all the National Aviation Authorities ceded their oversight to EASA. I see no reason for it going the other way. Open Sky's does not require you to be in the EU. Licensing issues are already being dealt with. (You need an EASA license to operate an aircraft that is EU registered or a temporary endorsement as you would for aircraft not EASA registered. I've got a dozen of them in my drawer from the old days). Easy Jet has aircraft registered in many EU countries they just need to make sure their crews hold the correct licence. Uk pilots will be able to operate UK registered aircraft with their old EASA licence until it expires at which point they will be issued the same licence based on the same requirements with "EASA" removed from the Title.

It's project fear and arse covering by the airlines who wish to remain in EASA so they can carry on hiring cheap pilots from eastern europe in stead of putting some effort into training their own. There is a global shortage of pilots already and they fear they won't be able to cream the cheapest on the market anymore.
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Global shortage of pilots but there are ‘cheap’ pilots to be hired? Economics isn’t what it used to be, that’s for sure.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Global shortage of pilots but there are ‘cheap’ pilots to be hired? Economics isn’t what it used to be, that’s for sure.
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Of all pilots available and able to operate UK registered aircraft currently(EASA licensed) there are many from eastern Europe who will and have accepted lower pay rates than was industry standard. This suppressed pilots wages for some time and is one of the reasons the low cost carriers could expand so quickly. They will no longer be able to operate UK registered aircraft in future unless they choose to convert their Licence to a UK licence before we leave the EU. They would get a UK issued EASA licence now which will become a UK CAA licence when it requires renewal.

But if the convert to a UK issued licence now the EU have said it will not be valid to fly EU registered aircraft. So for the jobbing pilot who wants to keep his options open he will keep his current EU EASA license which means he won't be able to fly UK reg aircraft after Brexit.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Of all pilots available and able to operate UK registered aircraft currently(EASA licensed) there are many from eastern Europe who will and have accepted lower pay rates than was industry standard. This suppressed pilots wages for some time and is one of the reasons the low cost carriers could expand so quickly. They will no longer be able to operate UK registered aircraft in future unless they choose to convert their Licence to a UK licence before we leave the EU. They would get a UK issued EASA licence now which will become a UK CAA licence when it requires renewal.

But if the convert to a UK issued licence now the EU have said it will not be valid to fly EU registered aircraft. So for the jobbing pilot who wants to keep his options open he will keep his current EU EASA license which means he won't be able to fly UK reg aircraft after Brexit.
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So do you have a chance to come back to work for a UK company and earn some big money then mate ?

Name your price type of thing,or would you never come back over here ?
 
meeesh said:
So do you have a chance to come back to work for a UK company and earn some big money then mate ?

Name your price type of thing,or would you never come back over here ?
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I've no need to leave as I have seniority here and a nice pension building. I also don't recognise a lot of the UK anymore. It's changed a lot since I left 20 years ago. Although I did spend all my holidays there this year and apart from the weather had a lovely time!
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I've no need to leave as I have seniority here and a nice pension building. I also don't recognise a lot of the UK anymore. It's changed a lot since I left 20 years ago. Although I did spend all my holidays there this year and apart from the weather had a lovely time!
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I kind of knew the answer before I asked you really !!

But I thought a few guys who are based in Europe may think about it,especially if money is right
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Of all pilots available and able to operate UK registered aircraft currently(EASA licensed) there are many from eastern Europe who will and have accepted lower pay rates than was industry standard. This suppressed pilots wages for some time and is one of the reasons the low cost carriers could expand so quickly. They will no longer be able to operate UK registered aircraft in future unless they choose to convert their Licence to a UK licence before we leave the EU. They would get a UK issued EASA licence now which will become a UK CAA licence when it requires renewal.

But if the convert to a UK issued licence now the EU have said it will not be valid to fly EU registered aircraft. So for the jobbing pilot who wants to keep his options open he will keep his current EU EASA license which means he won't be able to fly UK reg aircraft after Brexit.
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I wonder if this risk of increased costs could have any bearing on the frequent and highly vocal against Brexit, utterances of the leaders of some of the (supposedly) low cost airlines - or are they just putting the interests of the UK ahead of their personal vested interests?
 
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Thomas Cook issue statement saying that they will not provide a refund if their flights are grounded as a result of Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/04/thomas-cook-compensation-no-deal-brexit-disruption
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Legal ass covering. Insurance contracts had a Y2K exclusion for the millennium bug. No one really expected anything to happen and a lot of people did a lot of work to ensure it didn’t happen but no one wanted to be on the hook for compo if it did happen.
 
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