Football Lads and Lasses against Facism

blueinsa said:
Yep the extreme left and you are every bit as bad as those you despise.

I share your hatred of racists but im afraid i dont share your views that violence is the way to stop them.

Its telling that I've not seen one poster defending the extreme right on this thread, just myself and others saying that the group Rascal supports also have no place at our club or in football yet its brought the attack dogs out and its all because we wont tow the party line.

I'ts classic extreme left wing identity politics in play.

Violent wankers.

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Violent wankers

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Knock yourselves out but dont expect to get much support for it.
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It frightens me that the far right is (correctly) vilified for their extremist views to such a degree that those in that mindset have to disguise themselves for fear of being identified in real life.....

...where as the far left has no such problem with being vilified to the same degree (if at all) and openly spout their extremist nonsense without disguise or cover, instead they fly their extremism like a virtuous flag of moral authority.

Communist Russia and the German Nazi state were only recently extinguished in the last century ffs.


It's bizarre behaviour.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
It frightens me that the far right is (correctly) vilified for their extremist views to such a degree that those in that mindset have to disguise themselves for fear of being identified in real life.....

...where as the far left has no such problem with being vilified to the same degree (if at all) and openly spout their extremist nonsense without disguise or cover, instead they fly their extremism like a virtuous flag of moral authority.

Communist Russia and the German Nazi state were only recently extinguished in the last century ffs.


It's bizarre behaviour.
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The slightly right (like me) have to disguise ourselves. I have given up trying.
 
Welcome to the 21st century with people willingly throwing themselves on to the man traps of divide and conquer.
 
worsleyweb said:
I wish I was prime minister - I would bring back hard labour for anyone left of centre. These oddballs like rascal and kowalski I would put them in stocks until they saw sense.
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Gimp masks optional? This is some weird sexual shit you got going on here.
 
Ric said:
If you’re trying to disguise yourselves, you’re doing an appalling job.
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My point proven. As I said I don’t hide it now. No shame in my Conservative views and values.
 
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stonerblue said:
Ha, extreme left? Are you just making this shit up? When did opposing racist, small minded violent dickheads turn into 'extreme left'? I'd have thought most right thinking (normal) people would support any action designed to fuck off the neanderthal fla wankers and all other manner of violent racists.
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Opposing extremism isn't an extreme political position.

Opposing extremism by putting together a football firm to go and "sort them out" is an extreme political position.

You can strawman all you like but the fact of the matter is that if you're encouraging or turning a blind eye to violence in politics then you're essentially advocating domestic terrorism.

Which is perfectly fine, but then you don't get to complain when the extreme right take it one step further.

This is always the stupidest thing about the "anti-fascist" groups; they're pretending. They think that they can get together in their little gangs and go sort out the world by throwing a few cheeky slaps out while being ballyed up. They think that it will be fun to go and use a bit of violence and that will make all these problems disappear.

The problem with this is that the far left, as usual, completely misunderstands how fascists think and instead think they think like a TV show stereotype bully. They don't.

The difference between fascists and anti-fascists is that fascists actually mean it and actively encourage violence and riots. They want the "look at me" middle class student wankers to charge at them. Because the left sees this as a bit of a rumble where they get to feel like superheroes and then they might give a 50 year old lager lout a bit of kicking so they feel good about themselves. The fascists want to genocide people, create extermination camps and actively murder political opponents. They're not there for a bit of a good time and a feeling of self righteousness; they're there to normalise political violence. And these anti-fa twats play right into their hands every single time.

And that's ultimately what this comes down to. The anti-fascists won't escalate to the same levels as the fascists so the entire thing is pointless. When people start getting violent, both sides continuously escalate the situation until one of them backs down and the left will always back down before the right
 
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology want to keep it about fans opposing racism and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
 
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urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about theseabout 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chanc eof the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans fillowing them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in Londo, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy.to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology wan to keep it about fans opposing raciam and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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Thanks for the sensible post.
 
urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology wan tto keep it about fans opposing raciam and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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You mean all that hysterical swooning and sobbing with fear that some ‘lefties’ were out to get them was for naught? I’m stunned.
 
BobKowalski said:
You mean all that hysterical swooning and sobbing with fear that some ‘lefties’ were out to get them was for naught? I’m stunned.
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The sheer hypocrisy of this post is astounding Bob even for you.
 
urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology want to keep it about fans opposing racism and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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Honestly, you don't need to go and look at what these "groups" are doing to be appalled by the ideoligy and doctrines behind them.

In the OP's instance:

It is identity politics (my group > your group).
It is using the club and its badge for it's own benefits and purposes.

It is being (very) divisive by being selectively inclusive :
Lads and Lasses are short hand for "young adults who are identify specifically male or female". That removes the young, middle aged the old, the non gender specific from this set. I don't think it is an accident that "Lads and lasses" are also the most physically capable, the most emotionally unstable and the most impressionable sub set of the human race....
"Working class" , again another division, another sub set and again I don't think it an accident that the "Proles" are being lumped in with this. Who better to fight the oppressive and hierarchical tyranny! Sure poor people are stupid and have nothing to loose anyway huh..... (satire, ftr)

And to tie all of this divisive and inflamitory imagery together, you fly the communist flag of "unity".

For many, many more reasons (you could probably write a whole thesis on the damn thing) That badge and all it stands for is an abomination and an insult.

Leave the City badge alone. Do not attach your ideology or politics to either it or the club (or any club). Football is a break from the misery, tragedy and toils of life. It is a place where people go to forget the politics, the trials and tribulations of their life. It is a sanctuary and deserves to be treated according, not used to leverage anyone's political ideals.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Honestly, you don't need to go and look at what these "groups" are doing to be appalled by the ideoligy and doctrines behind them.

In the OP's instance:

It is identity politics (my group > your group).
It is using the club and its badge for it's own benefits and purposes.

It is being (very) divisive by being selectively inclusive :
Lads and Lasses are short hand for "young adults who are identify specifically male or female". That removes the young, middle aged the old, the non gender specific from this set. I don't think it is an accident that "Lads and lasses" are also the most physically capable, the most emotionally unstable and the most impressionable sub set of the human race....
"Working class" , again another division, another sub set and again I don't think it an accident that the "Proles" are being lumped in with this. Who better to fight the oppressive and hierarchical tyranny! Sure poor people are stupid and have nothing to loose anyway huh..... (satire, ftr)

And to tie all of this divisive and inflamitory imagery together, you fly the communist flag of "unity".

For many, many more reasons (you could probably write a whole thesis on the damn thing) That badge and all it stands for is an abomination and an insult.

Leave the City badge alone. Do not attach your ideology or politics to either it or the club (or any club). Football is a break from the misery, tragedy and toils of life. It is a place where people go to forget the politics, the trials and tribulations of their life. It is a sanctuary and deserves to be treated according, not used to leverage anyone's political ideals.
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So as your first sentence says you are discarding any actual factual info for what you believe yourself and your own assumptions.

The DFLA trying to insert itself into football culture was seen as an issue by some fans, so they created this social media group

As for the badge, they have only made up one requested by fans of that club or fans can make their own as spurs and norwich fans did at the start, so some blues have obviously asked for them

Also as said a lot of it is leafleting fans and stickering said badges as a sign of solidarity, not mobs of lads going round imposing their belief.

You are not expected to go out on marches or campaign politically, it's basically a common idea that fans will oppose discrimination and racism amongst fans, and if blues want to support it I don't see the harm.

If it morphed into a politicalmovement and a mob to rival and scrap the DFLA mob then it would be different and a waste of time.
 
urban genie said:
So as your first sentence says you are discarding any actual factual info for what you believe yourself and your own assumptions.

The DFLA trying to insert itself into football culture was seen as an issue by some fans, so they created this social media group

As for the badge, they have only made up one requested by fans of that club or fans can make their own as spurs and norwich fans did at the start, so some blues have obviously asked for them

Also as said a lot of it is leafleting fans and stickering said badges as a sign of solidarity, not mobs of lads going round imposing their belief.

You are not expected to go out on marches or campaign politically, it's basically a common idea that fans will oppose discrimination and racism amongst fans, and if blues want to support it I don't see the harm.

If it morphed into a politicalmovement and a mob to rival and scrap the DFLA mob then it would be different and a waste of time.
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Perhaps you need to think long and hard about what you are doing and what it means. You clearly haven't understood or thought about any of the many responses to it in this thread.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Perhaps you need to think long and hard about what you are doing and what it means. You clearly haven't understood or thought about any of the many responses to it in this thread.
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I have nowt to do with or am part of this social media group and the fans that are promoting it, but see no issue with the idea of fans uniting against racism and discrimination amd celebrating working class culture.

It's as personal a choice as is joining the DFLA, if I was to say which I think is less of a threat to communities and looking to cause trouble I would say it's the FLALAR.

People can do what they want, if some blues want to get their badges and wear them fine by me, it is their choice, if others don't fair play to them.

This vilification of them as a hooligan gang out to smack people is bollocks though and that is what I am challenging, that notion.
 
urban genie said:
I have nowt to do with or am part of this social media group and the fans that are promoting it, but see no issue with the idea of fans uniting against racism and discrimination amd celebrating working class culture.

It's as personal a choice as is joining the DFLA, if I was to say which I think is less of a threat to communities and looking to cause trouble I would say it's the FLALAR.

People can do what they want, if some blues want to get their badges and wear them fine by me, it is their choice, if others don't fair play to them.

This vilification of them as a hooligan gang out to smack people is bollocks though and that is what I am challenging, that notion.
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Does this mean @worsleyweb and @Armchair Supporter no longer have to go about their daily lives disguised as plant pots for fear of leftie inspired violence?

Huge if true.
 
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