Tomorrow’s sport....Daily Mail desperate to find a negative on City. Check the last paragraph on the United netting story.
An alleged incident NINE YEARS ago. Mike Keegan desperate yonner.
Have you quoted the wrong person there mate? Coz none of that makes sense.The club know what's going on.
Smarten up pal.
We will not be providing any comment on out of context materials purported to have been hacked or stolen from City Football Group and Manchester City personnel and associated people. The attempt to damage the club's reputation is organised and clear."
Clearly, throwing things at disabled fans is despicable. But how come united site disabled fans in front of away fans. PL rules are for the away fan section to extend to the front. Perhaps the away fans were aiming at Fellaini, which would be justifiable.
Part of the implications I allude to are beyond legal ramifications (which could impact the desire of outside entities to associate with our club, and thus could affect sponsorship and general investment opportunities)—public perception, especially with a club looking to grow its “consumer base”, is absolutely important. And my point was that the various media “reporting” could create public demand, not that it necessarily is at a boiling point now. But I agree football clubs aren’t like normal commercial entities, and said as much in my response — we just disagree on what that means for potential impacts of public perception on football club operations. I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that those entities looking to undermine City are not attempting to do so through a purely legal framework, as they know a prolonged shift in perception can be as devastating as any judicial penalty, and makes the latter much easier to pursue, as you can indirectly inlist the help of otherwise unrelated parties to mount pressure for such actions within different jurisdictions. I also see plenty of hostility outside of social/media, though I think it is certainly enough these days for it to be solely originating from the social/media realm (as unfortunate as that is)—and the influence of social/media is not likely to wane in the near future.Public "demand", which in truth I don't think is there anyway, beyond the vested interests, has little relevance against the legal implications of doing so. That's really all that matters. Whatever the outcome, those who howl at the moon about City being cheats are going to carry on doing so, it's not dependant on whether UEFA take action or not. Football clubs aren't like normal commercial entities who seek customers and can't cope with negative publicity, it doesn't work the same way, and it certainly doesn't work the same way with those who oppose them. Now, if City really were guilty of cheating systematically, then absolutely it would have an impact over a longer term, but I don't think many who are disinterested would think that is the case - and lots of them consider the whole FFP concept to be infinitely worse, and a specific attempt to protect a cartel.
Some people shout very loudly. That's normal enough, but outside of the social media/media circle, I don't see hostility to City, I see indifference, and wry amusement at the attempt to stitch up football.
Have you quoted the wrong person there mate? Coz none of that makes sense.
Part of the implications I allude to are beyond legal ramifications (which could impact the desire of outside entities to associate with our club, and thus could affect sponsorship and general investment opportunities)—public perception, especially with a club looking to grow its “consumer base”, is absolutely important. And my point was that the various media “reporting” could create public demand, not that it necessarily is at a boiling point now. But I agree football clubs aren’t like normal commercial entities, and said as much in my response — we just disagree on what that means for potential impacts of public perception on football club operations. I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that those entities looking to undermine City are not attempting to do so through a purely legal framework, as they know a prolonged shift in perception can be as devastating as any judicial penalty, and makes the latter much easier to pursue, as you can indirectly inlist the help of otherwise unrelated parties to mount pressure for such actions within different jurisdictions. I also see plenty of hostility outside of social/media, though I think it is certainly enough these days for it to be solely originating from the social/media realm (as unfortunate as that is)—and the influence of social/media is not likely to wane in the near future.
All of that said, I do respect your viewpoint, and sincerely hope we do not have to entertain the possibility of negative repercussions.
I think you misread; I was saying that I didn’t think it was at a boiling point now, only that the media, in its various guises, could get things there. :-)The bit I don't agree with you about is the idea that anything is at "boiling point". I concur that the media are doing their best to make it so, I just don't think the wider public and audience is as bothered as you think they are. If I agreed with you on that point, I'd pretty much be in step with the rest of what you say.
I think you misread; I was saying that I didn’t think it was at a boiling point now, only that the media, in its various guises, could get things there. :-)
That’s basically the jist of it, but he referenced an alleged incident of City fans throwing coins to a precise value, at disabled United fans, NINE years ago as a reason. Why?
Oil is traded in dollars, surely.The only surprise is that it wasn't in Euros.
Petrodollars.Oil is traded in dollars, surely.
Can’t argue that we are (I am) hyper-sensitive to the entire affair as supporters. I admittedly naturally tend toward risk assessment and mitigation (one of the reasons I like to think I am very good at my job), as well, and will more often than not take a view toward to worst case outcomes for the purpose of devising strategies to avoid them or lessen their impact, so I will usually be the pessimist in this discussion.Yes, I did with that bit. Still, I'm not sure they could do too much more than they have been doing to try and make it so, and that's why I think the general indifference to it is quite telling. Also I would note that we are very very close to it, so we're hyper-sensitive to the whole thing. There are enough journalists out there querying the whole thing to begin with to make it less than a clamour from more than a select group.
Sorry, yes.Petrodollars.
I thought it was dirty Arab oil money?Oil is traded in dollars, surely.
First you exchange your dollars for petrodollars to purchase the oil, then once the oil has been purchased the petrodollars become dirty Arab oil money.I thought it was dirty Arab oil money?
This is absolutely true. Here in the States, soccer is 5th on the list of "followed" sport. My friends at the pub know that I am CTID and will casually support City along with me. The point regarding sponsorship is valid as it presents the product at a time when City is on the tv. My friends are Philadelphia Eagles fans, but they don't buy their mayonnaise based on it being the "official " mayonnaise of the Philadelphia Eagles. Nor would I fly Eitihad airlines if I were to travel to AbuDabai. I would shop price and if less expensive would fly Emirates. That doesn't mean that I support Arsenal.The thing is re sponsors is that they are by the most part global, the shit we get in the UK is less if an issue for them as it is with us.
You’re obviously a person of questionable ethical standing, then. ;-)This is absolutely true. Here in the States, soccer is 5th on the list of "followed" sport. My friends at the pub know that I am CTID and will casually support City along with me. The point regarding sponsorship is valid as it presents the product at a time when City is on the tv. My friends are Philadelphia Eagles fans, but they don't buy their mayonnaise based on it being the "official " mayonnaise of the Philadelphia Eagles. Nor would I fly Eitihad airlines if I were to travel to AbuDabai. I would shop price and if less expensive would fly Emirates. That doesn't mean that I support Arsenal.
Or “sportwashing” for short.First you exchange your dollars for petrodollars to purchase the oil, then once the oil has been purchased the petrodollars become dirty Arab oil money.
It's called hypocritical alchemy.
Can’t argue that we are (I am) hyper-sensitive to the entire affair as supporters. I admittedly naturally tend toward risk assessment and mitigation (one of the reasons I like to think I am very good at my job), as well, and will more often than not take a view toward to worst case outcomes for the purpose of devising strategies to avoid them or lessen their impact, so I will usually be the pessimist in this discussion.
Someone needs to be, though, right? ;-)