Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

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taleofbluehalves

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At a time of Brexit chaos, a divided government, PM leaving before the next election, rising knife crime, rising homelessness, increased racism, NHS crisis, and yet Labour still cannot command a decent lead in the polls. Corbyn is at his lowest rating since 2017 and Labour are about a point ahead. Surely any decent opposition would be soaring in the poles by now?
 
taleofbluehalves said:
At a time of Brexit chaos, a divided government, PM leaving before the next election, rising knife crime, rising homelessness, increased racism, NHS crisis, and yet Labour still cannot command a decent lead in the polls. Corbyn is at his lowest rating since 2017 and Labour are about a point ahead. Surely any decent opposition would be soaring in the poles by now?
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MOTD is on in a minute. Armageddon can wait.
 
taleofbluehalves said:
At a time of Brexit chaos, a divided government, PM leaving before the next election, rising knife crime, rising homelessness, increased racism, NHS crisis, and yet Labour still cannot command a decent lead in the polls. Corbyn is at his lowest rating since 2017 and Labour are about a point ahead. Surely any decent opposition would be soaring in the poles by now?
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I think it’s only fair to say politics is in a mess, as a centre right by nature country and with brexit dividing the country it is hard for anyone to take an obvious position. Throw in austerity, the environment, social care and a lack of money available it would be impossible to put together a coherent strategy to make significant gains.

Obviously Corbyn being a **** surrounded by Abbott and Darth Marxist doesn’t help. I cannot see anything but coalitions for quite some time.
 
hilts said:
I think it’s only fair to say politics is in a mess, as a centre right by nature country and with brexit dividing the country it is hard for anyone to take an obvious position. Throw in austerity, the environment, social care and a lack of money available it would be impossible to put together a coherent strategy to make significant gains.

Obviously Corbyn being a **** surrounded by Abbott and Darth Marxist doesn’t help. I cannot see anything but coalitions for quite some time.
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I just don’t see what Labour’s strategy is. They seem happy to sit back and see what happens. They want an election but with the polls being so close it’s highly unlikely they’ll win never mind get a majority. In terms of Brexit they just seem happy to fudge it waiting for an election or people’s vote but not really nailing their colours to their mast.
 
I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)
 
The perfect fumble said:
I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)
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Well the Tories (cabinet) are seemingly flying the second referendum kite now, so Corbyn will have to stop sitting on his hands with regards to it soon.
 
Corbyn’s cunning plan is to be invisible while the Tories supposedly tear themselves apart. If we crash out of Europe with no deal and the country goes tits up, it might just work. I would guess it’s a 1% chance of that happening, but that’s something for the Brexit thread.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Well the Tories (cabinet) are seemingly flying the second referendum kite now, so Corbyn will have to stop sitting on his hands with regards to it soon.
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You're right, wouldn't surprise me if he moved a no confidence vote early next week, despite the fact he knows it'll not carry.
 
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west didsblue said:
Corbyn’s cunning plan is to be invisible.
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The perfect fumble said:
I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)
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I think the truth is previously there was an obvious choice on domestic policy between the two main parties and brexit now adds a level of confusion. The waiting game will fail because the brexit split will be 50 50 for quite some time. Labour are hoping for something that will not arrive and that’s more clarity to how the wind is blowing. Like May they don’t know what to do so delay. Politicians whose sole purpose is gaining power cannot see a way to get it.

At some point labour and the Tories will be forced to make a decision one way or the other.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)
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The false messiah won't be offering up a remain option in a SecRef. That's guaranteed.
 
hilts said:
I think the truth is previously there was an obvious choice on domestic policy between the two main parties and brexit now adds a level of confusion. The waiting game will fail because the brexit split will be 50 50 for quite some time. Labour are hoping for something that will not arrive and that’s more clarity to how the wind is blowing. Like May they don’t know what to do so delay. Politicians whose sole purpose is gaining power cannot see a way to get it.

At some point labour and the Tories will be forced to make a decision one way or the other.
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Every opposition plays a waiting game, they always have, without power there's fuck all else can they do.
 
taleofbluehalves said:
At a time of Brexit chaos, a divided government, PM leaving before the next election, rising knife crime, rising homelessness, increased racism, NHS crisis, and yet Labour still cannot command a decent lead in the polls. Corbyn is at his lowest rating since 2017 and Labour are about a point ahead. Surely any decent opposition would be soaring in the poles by now?
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Oh dear - I guess this thread starting is an indication of how deep the shit the Tories are in......
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Best you lump on the grand old Duke of Islington North then. I'd advise against, personally, as a friend.
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If he can't force an election, then he's not a government in waiting and if he's not a government in waiting, he's merely a party leader and if he's merely a party leader, his party wants a referendum, so he'll give it to them.

He's been a campaigner all his life, that's how campaigns work, if he refuse to campaign for the things his party wants he'll lose his party, then he's nothing.
 
Yes in reality.

A PLP with effectively a hard left front bench led by Momentum backed Corbyn and McDonnell who then have to lead a large percentage of MP’s who would sooner have a Chukka in charge.

Brexit would be just as much fun with Labour in charge right now.
 
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