Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

[hilts]

I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)

I think the truth is previously there was an obvious choice on domestic policy between the two main parties and brexit now adds a level of confusion. The waiting game will fail because the brexit split will be 50 50 for quite some time. Labour are hoping for something that will not arrive and that’s more clarity to how the wind is blowing. Like May they don’t know what to do so delay. Politicians whose sole purpose is gaining power cannot see a way to get it.

At some point labour and the Tories will be forced to make a decision one way or the other.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I posted this earlier today....

The standard question: “Why isn’t Labour 20 points ahead of this disasterous Tory government?” But rarely asked: "Why isn't remain 20 points ahead of this disastrous Brexit project?" Because the two statistics are linked. The Tories have an artificially high floor because leave voters trust them most to deliver Brexit.

And that's why Labour won't come out all guns blazing for a second referendum, for now. If I was a hard core leaver I wouldn't vote Labour, because I suspect they might go for a second referendum and I would be right, and that's reflected in the polls.

You can close the thread now. ;-)

The false messiah won't be offering up a remain option in a SecRef. That's guaranteed.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The false messiah won't be offering up a remain option in a SecRef. That's guaranteed.

I'd bet a considerable wedge he will.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I think the truth is previously there was an obvious choice on domestic policy between the two main parties and brexit now adds a level of confusion. The waiting game will fail because the brexit split will be 50 50 for quite some time. Labour are hoping for something that will not arrive and that’s more clarity to how the wind is blowing. Like May they don’t know what to do so delay. Politicians whose sole purpose is gaining power cannot see a way to get it.

At some point labour and the Tories will be forced to make a decision one way or the other.

Every opposition plays a waiting game, they always have, without power there's fuck all else can they do.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I'd bet a considerable wedge he will.

Best you lump on the grand old Duke of Islington North then. I'd advise against, personally, as a friend.

 

[bluethrunthru]

At a time of Brexit chaos, a divided government, PM leaving before the next election, rising knife crime, rising homelessness, increased racism, NHS crisis, and yet Labour still cannot command a decent lead in the polls. Corbyn is at his lowest rating since 2017 and Labour are about a point ahead. Surely any decent opposition would be soaring in the poles by now?

Oh dear - I guess this thread starting is an indication of how deep the shit the Tories are in......

 

[The perfect fumble]

Best you lump on the grand old Duke of Islington North then. I'd advise against, personally, as a friend.

If he can't force an election, then he's not a government in waiting and if he's not a government in waiting, he's merely a party leader and if he's merely a party leader, his party wants a referendum, so he'll give it to them.

He's been a campaigner all his life, that's how campaigns work, if he refuse to campaign for the things his party wants he'll lose his party, then he's nothing.

 

[blueinsa]

Yes in reality.

A PLP with effectively a hard left front bench led by Momentum backed Corbyn and McDonnell who then have to lead a large percentage of MP’s who would sooner have a Chukka in charge.

Brexit would be just as much fun with Labour in charge right now.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Lots of young Corbynistas are also remainers despite the fact he isn't. He can't come out as he will lose his youth vote.

 

[SWP's back]

Politics these days reminds me of the season the PL was won by Leicester.

It appears no fucker wants to win it.