Doesn’t have to be this way though mate. I disagree with Caroline Flint and Dan Jarvis regarding their stance on brexit but I’d quite happily see past this because they seem to genuinely care about the country and have come from jobs people can relate to ( I think Flint was a midwife. Jarvis ex soldier). Unfortunately, they’re both too centrist for the Labour Party members who’ll just see them as clones of Blair.
Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?
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This thread isn't about the Tories, do keep up.
They’re most certainly not.
As far as the major party’s are concerned, the views and concerns of millions of people in this country are unpalatable. It’s a balancing act between addressing those concerns while not offending the perma offended and none of the party’s can manage it. Just like the Americans got in 2016, we’re left with a choice of a douche bag and a shit sandwich.
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Ask yourself, would he still be the pariah if he'd have been covered with a clean slate instead having to carry the weight of stigmatisation from the UK press? A view that's tainted minds like yourselves rather than the ideas he has for the UK?
We'll never know, will we..?
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Asked and answered in typical nowhere-to-go fashion!
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Its his own actions that have been reported he did honour Hezbollah terrorists, he did support the IRA the press have to report these facts.
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Okay, so let's say this is the 'truth', do you continue down the path of what this current government is forcing you to go (yes, along with the inevitable leadership takeover by some schmuck to further damage the country's future!) down the path it's demanding you go or do you try something new as you're fooked with the current idiots...?
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You carry on voting for a party that's only interested in the middle class and minorities and I will continue to vote for any party other than Labour, and bloody good luck thinking they'll see power.
Your “truth” only appears to be critical of the Tory side in this shambles.
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You're either with them or you're the enemy mate ;)
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There's one that definitely isn't and one that claims to be.
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The middle class and the minority vote are trying to convince real working class voters to vote for Labour, it isn't going to happen.
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The 'facts' were reported in a skewed way.
As for the 'Hezbollah terrorists' thing it was akin to being present during a bank robbery; you happened to be there whilst doing something else. It was out of his control as far as I know.
The IRA thing was trying to bring talks together, again, AFAIK.
But these are VERY old talking points from establishment media being rehashed as 'relevant' by people like yourself.
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From that I am guessing you aren't old enough to remember a smiling Corbyn shaking Jerry Adams hand after the Warrington bomb.
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And this is a case-in-point as to why Corbyn says nothing towards May's driving of the UK.
Me? If I were him, I'd let her drive.
Haha, I’m not “deflecting” anything. Everyone can see (although some are choosing not to) it’s a shambles. Corbyn said as much the other day and insisted that the country can’t go on like this. I was waiting for his answer to the problem but I grew a beard and lost patience.
He just keeps banging on about a general election. If his push bike got a puncture his remedy would be a general election. He’s giving people the impression that he just wants to get into Downing st by hook or by crook.
I suppose I’ll be accused of a straw man argument now that I’ve mentioned a push bike.
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Has any Prime Minister shook hands with a terrorist advocate/ dictator/ all round douche?
I guess not...
Good grief, how did that get here...??
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Has any Prime Minister shook hands with a terrorist advocate/ dictator/ all round douche?
I guess not...
Good grief, how did that get here...??
That post shows where the left are at the minute, their views are never going to be mainstream and most of their schoolyard politics are a nonsense.