Ederson - 2018/2019 performances

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Yeah I think that won’t have helped as it almost cost us. I think that is one area of his game he can improve on but it comes with age and experience I think that one.
When he first came he was a lot more aggressive on crosses. But he is slowly learning that in England where players are often really tall compared to him that he needs to be more picky. He's still making errors here and there, but as you say considering his age and inexperience it should only improve, which evidence shows he's on track to do.

I think it's been highlighted more this season as we've been on the backfoot more often. He could be better, but considering everything and comparing his performances to other keepers he could be so much worse.

He's yet to drop a real clanger as far as I'm concerned, so given his style it suggests he's actually better than people give him credit for.
 
When he first came he was a lot more aggressive on crosses. But he is slowly learning that in England where players are often really tall compared to him that he needs to be more picky. He's still making errors here and there, but as you say considering his age and inexperience it should only improve, which evidence shows he's on track to do.

I think it's been highlighted more this season as we've been on the backfoot more often. He could be better, but considering everything and comparing his performances to other keepers he could be so much worse.

He's yet to drop a real clanger as far as I'm concerned, so given his style it suggests he's actually better than people give him credit for.

Yeah I’ve no problem with him. He brings calmness to the defenders and rarely makes an error with his passing. I think as a team we should defend crosses better, particularly stopping them coming in more often.
 
We'd have been fuming for the rest of the season had Eddie not kept his cool and got his angles right. He made it as difficult as possible for Salah and got a hand to the eventual shot, to help it out for a corner.

That was worth 2 points right there.
3 points in the title race, so even more important!
 
Eddie has had a few flaps at crosses in the last few games, i honestly wondered whether he was played against Rotherham as Pep knew high balls into the box were inevitable (turned out there were very few). Anyway probably bollocks and Ederson has been outstanding for us, just an observation that he is looking a little rash at crosses coming into the penalty spot.
 
A mate and I were discussing this topic whilst watching him yesterday and the more we think about it, the more we think it is true:

Ederson’s aggressive play should be lauded, even when it doesn’t come off.

It not only changes the way individual players make split-second decisions, but also the general play of opposition, and helps cover potential vulnerabilities in our system. It is likely partly down to his natural instincts, but also partly due to the instructions he receives from our coaching staff to play that way in most situations, even if his actions do not always work out as desired. It is generally unlike most other keepers in the league and world, bar a few very high quality examples (some, like Neuer, not necessarily even able to execute as well, as regularly as Eddie recently). Though, due to his success, it will not likely stay that way, as many more academy systems will be training their keepers to improve the abilities required for this type of aggressive play (specifically general athleticism) and become more comfortable with the tactics.

As others have recently said, Eddie is very aggressive when challenging for corners/crosses in to the box. He is generally more aggressive in every situation than most keepers. Every now and then, he is perhaos “too aggressive.”

But, for all of the times he is overly aggressive, which puts us in a bit of bother or leads to a penalty, there are three or four instances where his aggression has either snuffed out a half chance or completely saved us from what would have very likely been a goal with most other more conservative keepers. In some case his aggressive action has lead to an opposing player (or set of players) making a mistake which stopped a chance before it occurred. The net gain of his aggression is decidedly positive.

This got us to thinking about how the opposition players are actually subtly influenced by his normal play. Most will have either seen how Eddie reacts to situations firsthand or via studying video of his performances. And most will have either specifically experienced or noted his aggression in most situations. I think it is fair to say that most will have preconceived expectations of how he will react to various situations before they come up against him.

Now, the very best players in the world *might* be able to use that aggression against him on occasion. But not every time, as Eddie is actually still very good at winning various kinds of duels, in part with aggressive play. And the vast majority of players he will face aren’t especially talented or clever (not near the levels of a KDB, Hazard, Messi, Greizmann, etc., anyway), so will rarely be able to best him.

This means that, through their natural expectations of how Ederson will react in situations, the mere fact that he will generally be aggressive most likely influences the choices they are making in a match more than other keepers might. His reputation creates pressure and urgency that puts many players off or, at the very least, does not make it easy for them to execute their plans in various moments of games, some crucial.

His aggression, whilst not *always* leading to optimal outcomes, generally gives us a considerable edge and, as mentioned before, helps to cover frailties in our system of play, namely the weakness to counters (the bane of most possession-based tactical setups). Eddie’s sweeper movement has cut out many through and long balls that would have otherwise presented very dangerous chances for opposition players. But his general reputation of being aggressive also influences opposition players even attempting those and other actions. He changes the way teams play against us from the off, further amplifying his benefit to our system.

In short, although he can still improve (which is frightening in of itself), Ederson is the dog’s bollocks, has contributed to recent changes to what is expected of top class keepers (beyond just his ability with the ball at his feet), and is perfect fit for our play. And we desperately need to ensure Muric (or another academy keeper) is up to his quality and understand what he does for us, to ensure our system is not significantly impacted by an injury to him.
 
>> Ederson’s aggressive play should be lauded, even when it doesn’t come off.
And yet, there's a balance - hyper aggressive play - coming out always or too often - is clearly not going to be beneficial.

IMO, Ederson's aggressive goalie play is for the most part good - but at times he charges out when staying put would be better. Moreover, some of his aggressive play is a sort of all-or-nothing gamble - sometimes he'll win the ball; sometimes he'll fail to win the ball leaving the attacker with a wide open shot on goal - or he'll fail to get back into position after initially charging out - and at times he'll charge out only to commit a foul in the penalty box.

I like Ederson's aggressiveness - and it indeed often pans out - but, IMO, it's still a raw talent - and needs to be tempered by experience. I'd like to see him come out a bit less often as staying put in goal could offer equal or better prospects in some instances.

That said - ultra aggressive goalie play seems to be part-and-parcel of Ederson's style - I can live with it if it can't be tempered by experience.
 
At 25 he’s got ten years or more ahead of him and isn’t in his prime yet.

Very strong hand to the Salah shot last week, made some important saves at Leicester to stop it being a worse beating on Boxing Day... I think he’s coming along nicely.

He’s the equivalent of Gabriel Jesus’ age as a player, in goalkeeper terms.
 
I`m sure the daft fuckers not a full shilling ... but he makes me smile every game and I wouldn`t change him for any other goalie.
Daft as a fucking brush.
I thought he was mad for coming that far out, but watching that clip, that wasn't the issue, it was his poor first touch, but he made up for it :)
 
I thought he was mad for coming that far out, but watching that clip, that wasn't the issue, it was his poor first touch, but he made up for it :)
It was quite brilliant. Poor first touch so he had to chase it down but the beauty of it is once he won it he laid it off and then moved in to a position to be a passing option to the player with the ball. Other goalies would have high tailed it back to goal but Edersons first instinct was to be an option and regain easy possession. Fucking brilliant.
 
I was laughing and cheering as much as anyone else at the ground when he did it but I’m gonna play devils advocate now

To me he’s just not focusing enough on his game when we’re seemingly in control. Against soton and rags he gave away needless penalties for balls he didn’t need to come for and today his error could’ve led to a goal. Stay in your area son and do the simple things.
 
He’s utterly bonkers, as is Fern for passing the ball back to him (lol). Ederson doing his Xavi impression! I love it!
 
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