This girl who died on a speedboat and the lad who ran off to Georgia......

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I have been reading about it this morning.

I just wondered what peoples thoughts were on it as this lad has been painted in a very bad light.

To me it just seems like a tragic horrible accident.
The papers though seem to have got hold of this though and made the lad out to be a murderer.

I get you cant run off and not face the consequences, so for that he should be held accountable.

However:

*He wasn't driving it when it crashed, she was.
*They had both had a drink not just him. She was over the limit and decided to drive the boat and crashed it.
*The police didn't even want to charge him at first. They thought it was just an unfortunate accident.
*Her dad works in the prison system and used his powers to get a meeting with the Home Secretary and thus charges were brought against him.
*Father rang him saying he would make sure he got sent down and prison would be terrible for him.

No wonder he fucked off to Georgia.

If I took a girl out and she crashed my boat as she had a few drinks surely that's her fault and not mine?

Anyway, people love a witch hunt. Or maybe people think he should be charged with manslaughter??


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...king-speedboat-killer-finally-surrenders.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46984333
 
*Her dad works in the prison system and used his powers to get a meeting with the Home Secretary and thus charges were brought against him.
*Father rang him saying he would make sure he got sent down and prison would be terrible for him.

These are concerning, if they are true. I honestly can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing and run away if I thought I was getting stitched up.

EDIT: After reading up on it further, I wasn't aware it was his own boat and not seaworthy - for some reason I thought it was hired. Also no proof the girl was steering other than his words. Her father's actions are totally understandable.

The guy should get what's coming to him and more.
 
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I believe the evidence showed that the speedboat was totally unsafe and should never have been in the water never mind being used. On that basis the prosecution stated he should not have taken anyone out (at night) Further the speed of the boat was excessive and no matter who was 'driving' he was in charge and responsible. Oh and he was high on drink and drugs,
If he felt he was innocent he should have stayed for the trial and argued his case. To me his interview and staged managed arrest showed him to be an arrogant prick...….. but I may be wrong.
 
Blue Mist said:
I believe the evidence showed that the speedboat was totally unsafe and should never have been in the water never mind being used. On that basis the prosecution stated he should not have taken anyone out (at night) Further the speed of the boat was excessive and no matter who was 'driving' he was in charge and responsible. Oh and he was high on drink and drugs,
If he felt he was innocent he should have stayed for the trial and argued his case. To me his interview and staged managed arrest showed him to be an arrogant prick...….. but I may be wrong.
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No, you are right, he is a very arrogant individual. Taking the speedboat out after dark, ignoring the speed limit and handing the controls to the girl were reckless acts even if he wasn't intoxicated. He is responsible for the girl's death and deserves to do time for it.
 
Blue Mist said:
Oh and who says she was driving the speedboat ? ergh the one person that survived the crash.
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I'm with you mate - innocent people aren't in the habit of running off like he did - he was sentenced in his absence remember. Surely the time to protest your innocence and present your case is at trial not from Georgia?
 
They should add 10 years to his sentence for being a fucking coward and running from his responsibilities and putting his victims family through the wringer.
 
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Blue Mist said:
I believe the evidence showed that the speedboat was totally unsafe and should never have been in the water never mind being used. On that basis the prosecution stated he should not have taken anyone out (at night) Further the speed of the boat was excessive and no matter who was 'driving' he was in charge and responsible. Oh and he was high on drink and drugs,
If he felt he was innocent he should have stayed for the trial and argued his case. To me his interview and staged managed arrest showed him to be an arrogant prick...….. but I may be wrong.
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Interesting. If that's the way you see it, fair enough. You'll prob be in the majority to be honest.

You say high on drink and drugs - He's admitted they both had had a drink but he wasn't tested. He told the police that. She was, and was only slightly over. As for the drugs, if you have a line or 2, doesn't mean you are out of your head like the papers will say.

As for boat being totally unsafe, do you not think that's maybe been exaggerated? It was a branch that made them crash, not really the boat being a wreck? The boat didn't break down or cause the crash?
 
blueinsa said:
They should add 10 years to his sentence for being a fucking coward and running from his responsibilities and putting his victims family through the wringer.
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Ha mate, i've seen you slating Mahrez in the 'Mahrez is unhappy' thread. You were one of the first on that topic too even though Mahrez has never said anything, just one article by someone saying this, no one else.

You love a sensationalised headline and jumping on the band wagon. ;-)

Take your time and look into things more than believing every headline you read.
 
GX Blue said:
Ha mate, i've seen you slating Mahrez in the 'Mahrez is unhappy' thread. You were one of the first on that topic too even though Mahrez has never said anything, just one article by someone saying this, no one else.

You love a sensationalised headline and jumping on the band wagon. ;-)

Take your time and look into things more than believing every headline you read.
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Thanks for sharing that with everyone on the a thread totally unrelated pmsl.

Back on topic.

He has been found guilty in his absence and he has absconded to escape justice.

Im sure the judge will have that in mind when he deals with him in the near future.
 
GX Blue said:
*He wasn't driving it when it crashed, she was.
*They had both had a drink not just him. She was over the limit and decided to drive the boat and crashed it.
*The police didn't even want to charge him at first. They thought it was just an unfortunate accident.
*Her dad works in the prison system and used his powers to get a meeting with the Home Secretary and thus charges were brought against him.
*Father rang him saying he would make sure he got sent down and prison would be terrible for him.
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If that’s all correct then I’m with you. I’d have fucked off as well if I were him.

Edit: having researched it (read three replies to you) then I change my mind. He should have been out in it at night whilst drunk and high.
 
blueinsa said:
Thanks for sharing that with everyone on the a thread totally unrelated pmsl.

Back on topic.

He has been found guilty in his absence and he has absconded to escape justice.

Im sure the judge will have that in mind when he deals with him in the near future.
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I just think that he only went to Georgia because of what her dad could do to him if he went in Prison.
 
It's interesting to read the comments about this. I'm not sure I'm really qualified to say much about this one, others know far more than me. In general though, I am a touch uncomfortable with the idea that two people can take an action willingly, however reckless, and if it goes wrong the other is held responsible for the death.
 
SWP's back said:
If that’s all correct then I’m with you. I’d have fucked off as well if I were him.
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That was my initial response but I've changed minds. The condition of the boat was described in court as "poor and sloppy". The girl wouldn't have known this or been able to judge it's worthiness, so the owner takes responsibility for everything that happens on the craft, and now I know he was the owner, manslaughter sounds right if that's what the jury surmised.
 
GX Blue said:
I just think that he only went to Georgia because of what her dad could do to him if he went in Prison.
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Not mine or your problem and its not the problem of his victims family.

He will have to rely on the prison service offering him suitable protection wont he?
 
GX Blue said:
*He wasn't driving it when it crashed, she was.
*They had both had a drink not just him. She was over the limit and decided to drive the boat and crashed it.
*The police didn't even want to charge him at first. They thought it was just an unfortunate accident.
*Her dad works in the prison system and used his powers to get a meeting with the Home Secretary and thus charges were brought against him.
*Father rang him saying he would make sure he got sent down and prison would be terrible for him.
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Do you have anything that substantiates all that?
 
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That was my initial response but I've changed minds. The condition of the boat was described in court as "poor and sloppy". The girl wouldn't have known this or been able to judge it's worthiness, so the owner takes responsibility for everything that happens on the craft, and now I know he was the owner, manslaughter sounds right if that's what the jury surmised.
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Yeah I take that point too. Its his boat so fair enough.
But then I think, well my cars a shitty Ford Focus. I think its ok to drive as it passed its MOT a few months ago. If say I had a drink and my girlfriend drove me home in it and crashed and it turns out that my car had summert wrong with it and I got charged with manslaughter as she crashed it, i'd find that harsh that I would be blamed.

I'm sure he wasn't doing regular boat MOT checks. No one does that. You just presume all's ok don't you?
 
Facts always get in the way of a good story.

They had both had a drink. They were speeding. They hit a log. They were not wearing life belts. An unfortunate accident.

And then he does a runner, flouts the law, gets aid and now is on his way back.

If anyone here has owned a speedboat then you will know that if you take people out on it the first thing they want to do is drive the damn thing. "Oooh let me have a go!" So what do you do? Let them have a go of course. They then go faster than they realise mainly due to the sensation/ speed of being on water is a bit different to being on land. Hit anything at speed, a log, a wave etc etc then you will be thrown of balance. In the dark? Far worse as you won't expect it.

I wouldn't have taken mine out in the dark though. Madness.
 
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