Schalke post match thread

[Rolee]

Otamendi committed a handball. He tried to get his arm out of the way but didn’t succeed. If the exact same happened to us at the other end of the pitch we’d be screaming for a penalty. Anyone who argues differently is an out and out happy clapper.

Of course we'd scream for it, that's a given but that doesn't mean we should get it, we shouldn't if the rules are applied correctly.

 

[Neville Kneville]

At the last minute. It took all of 1 second to hit him. Fuckin tools the lot of them. Also the first goal stands as it was in a different phase of play. It wasn’t even a foul. Soft fuckin ****s

Otamandi, in that position, is RIGHTLY looking at blocking the shot with his body, first & foremost. If he wasn't looking at blocking it, he'd get a whole world of shit from me on here & Martin Keown on commentary.

He then has to judge where the ball will hit him, realises it's going toward his arm, not his chest, & tries to get his arm out of the way in the very limited time allowed.

Then gets a pen given against him for DELIBERATE handball AND BOOKED. All this when the ref, can't see it onscreen, as he is apparently required by UEFA to do.

It appears there is no provision in the rulebook, for v.a.r. to recommend a yellow card for Otamendi, so either the v.a.r. ref has acted outside his remit or the onfield ref, who didn't give handball against Otamendi, has now seen enough to book him.

Some people on here are complaining about those of us who saw our arses about this.

We are fucking right to see our arses & I completely saw mine about the first v.a.r. incident where they bad NO FUCKING RIGHT to be spending time looking back through the move trying to disallow our goal.

Imo UEFA should rescind Otamendi's red card as the officials acted unlawfully giving him the first one.

It is difficult imo, to see how a completely 'neutral' bunch of officials have acted in this way.

Perhaps they aren't 'bent' as such, but they were definitely not neutral in their actions.

 

[aguero93:20]

Even Clattenburg says it wasn't a clear incident for v.a.r.


Mind you, he would have reviewed it anyway because he's a ****.

He thinks people have hands in the small of their backs and those hands can make contact with things 4 yards in front of their navel.

 

[andypandy]

Ban slow motion replays from behind used

The number of times a slow mo gives a different perception of perspective of what happened is endless

We watch the game in real time , that is what we see so base any replays using VAR or otherwise on real time events

Yes, use different angles if you have to but none of this stop, start, slow down rewind bollocks

 

[Badensbluemoon]

I don’t think the first penalty was intentional handball, Otta really didn’t have time to take the arm out the way, but I am sure if it was the other way around with a Schalke player that penalty would’ve never been rewarded.

It was a great game nevertheless, we did great at not letting the frustration to affect our game. Great to see that spirit of fight until the end.

Moving forward I hope we learn a few lessons from the game, like not giving the referees any chances to screw us up because you know they will do anything in their power to do so.
I think this game will give us that extra determination for the Chelsea game.

Come on City!!!

 

[asahartford1]

're Sir Peter Walton, on bt,

He completely ignored the "clear and obvious mistake" part of VAR, a point he had continually Harped on about previously. And decided to take the "If the final decision is right" road.
With ex referees like him around, there is no way VAR will become clear to the masses.
His performance last night had me using language that upset my dog.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

're Sir Peter Walton, on bt,

He completely ignored the "clear and obvious mistake" part of VAR, a point he had continually Harped on about previously. And decided to take the "If the final decision is right" road.
With ex referees like him around, there is no way VAR will become clear to the masses.
His performance last night had me using language that upset my dog.

That ruff?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I don’t think the first penalty was intentional handball, Otta really didn’t have time to take the arm out the way, but I am sure if it was the other way around with a Schalke player that penalty would’ve never been rewarded.

It was a great game nevertheless, we did great at not letting the frustration to affect our game. Great to see that spirit of fight until the end.

Moving forward I hope we learn a few lessons from the game, like not giving the referees any chances to screw us up because you know they will do anything in their power to do so.
I think this game will give us that extra determination for the Chelsea game.

Come on City!!!

I think Pep is trying to get in the players' heads to take responsibility because the last 2 major knockout games both involved us getting shafted by refs but also involved us making silly mistakes, like last night.

 

[KS55]

Yes, yes, yes: but did we win?
What? With three away goals?
Oh, that's ok, then.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

And anyone who denies VAR procedure was flawed to fcuk is a contrary arsehole.

I agree. How could anyone think the procedure wasn’t flawed last night?

 

[Project]

UEFA have released their response.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2593061.html

This is actually insane:

When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.

 

[SWP's back]

Will UEFA be big enough to admit that, in hindsight, it was invalid? Will they fcuk as like.

This is the bit that’s now annoying me some 20 hours later. Last week UEFA issued a statement to explain the reasoning behind the VAR decisions in the Madrid/Ajax game and they made sense and it seemed more or less transparent.

So far, not a peep out of them about the handball (which I agreed with at first as I thought it was one), but now appears to me to have been a violation of their own rules on how VAR should be implemented.

Where’s the mea cupla from UEFA or are they just hoping it goes away?

Edit. Oh hang on. Seems they have in the post above. I’ll give it a read.

 

[jimharri]

UEFA have released their response.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2593061.html

This is actually insane:

When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.

And how do we know that there wasn't someone screaming down the line to the ref; "give the fucking penalty, or you'll be back reffing the Hyde 'B' division womens' league at Hough End on a pissing wet sunday morning", eh?

 

[SWP's back]

Ok from the statement. Two things. First, I agree regarding the laws of the game and the offside/foul by Dinho and said as much last night. This part:

“The second decision was also correctly made on the basis of the Laws of the Game (Law 11 – Offside) which stipulates: “if a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence”.

Secondly, this next one is fucking ridiculous:

“When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.”

The VAR ‘described’ what fucking happened to the ref and the ref overruled himself!?? Fuck off. That’s beyond idiotic.

 

[aguero93:20]

This is the bit that’s now annoying me some 20 hours later. Last week UEFA issued a statement to explain the reasoning behind the VAR decisions in the Madrid/Ajax game and they made sense and it seemed more or less transparent.

So far, not a peep out of them about the handball (which I agreed with at first as I thought it was one), but now appears to me to have been a violation of their own rules on how VAR should be implemented.

Where’s the mea cupla from UEFA or are they just hoping it goes away?

Edit. Oh hang on. Seems they have in the post above. I’ll give it a read.

UEFA? Mea Culpa?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Ok from the statement. Two things. First, I agree regarding the laws of the game and the offside/foul by Dinho and said as much last night.

Secondly, this is fucking ridiculous:

“When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.”

The VAR ‘described’ what fucking happened to the ref and the ref overruled himself!?? Fuck off. That’s beyond idiotic.

He also booked Otamendi,.from that description.

UEFA seem happy enough though.

 

[nmc]

UEFA have released their response.

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2593061.html

This is actually insane:

When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.

That sounds like something from a Donald Trump press conference. So someone describes what happens in the refs ear but doesn’t tell him what to do? Does anyone at UEFA have any credibility or common sense - what a self indulgent, self serving, idiotic organisation they are.

 

[nmc]

This is the bit that’s now annoying me some 20 hours later. Last week UEFA issued a statement to explain the reasoning behind the VAR decisions in the Madrid/Ajax game and they made sense and it seemed more or less transparent.

So far, not a peep out of them about the handball (which I agreed with at first as I thought it was one), but now appears to me to have been a violation of their own rules on how VAR should be implemented.

Where’s the mea cupla from UEFA or are they just hoping it goes away?

Edit. Oh hang on. Seems they have in the post above. I’ll give it a read.

In true Uefa style - when there’s an issue - just make up another rule to cover it. They have an answer for everything - or at least they think they do.

 

[kaz7]

Ok from the statement. Two things. First, I agree regarding the laws of the game and the offside/foul by Dinho and said as much last night. This part:

“The second decision was also correctly made on the basis of the Laws of the Game (Law 11 – Offside) which stipulates: “if a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence”.

Secondly, this next one is fucking ridiculous:

“When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.”

The VAR ‘described’ what fucking happened to the ref and the ref overruled himself!?? Fuck off. That’s beyond idiotic.

Did you really expect any different from them? if VAR system was not fully operational it should have been scrapped last night,can you imagine this happening during a RM,Barca,Bayern game? it's only us so they made a complete mockery of it,thankfully the lads were determined to win

 

[SWP's back]

He also booked Otamendi,.from that description.

UEFA seem happy enough though.

I know you’re passionate about your football and opinions and I’m the same and we both call it as we see it and I believe we’ve both been honest in expressing our thoughts etc but I have to say that explanation fucking stinks.

The fact he’s changed his mind and awarded a pen and a yellow “without being told what to do” and from having the replay “described” to him.... it isn’t even a joke. It’s so far beyond parody that it’s not even funny.

I still think it’s a penalty but the ref shouldn’t have given it in 1,000 years based on what actually went on. The fact Uefa have doubled down and are patting themselves on the back for it shows that in its current incarnation, VAR is open to abuse and not fit for service. They’ll make up any old shit to justify the decisions they choose.