>> He should stick with decission. Thems the rules. It wasn't a clear and obvious error either.
And yet video replay wasn't available. How on earth should the onfield ref muster the audacity to completely disregard the replay booth when they had ample replays available to them.
I for one, absolutely agree that Otters hand ball is a penalty - on the basis that that's the way that the game is called - at the same time I absolutely agree that Otter's hand ball was not intentional.
The rules of the game need to be updated.
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>> 2nd, offside takes presidente as that took place first.
Implicitly claiming that you're more knowledgeable than the professional referees on the field... well, I rather doubt that you're correct.
But the LOTG state that is has to be intentional, which it clearly wasn't, therefore no penalty. Are you saying that referees should/do referee the game according to the laws as they would like them to be, rather than as they are? That sure would explain a fucking lot!
Hahahaha absolutely spot on .."Sorry ref, the pitchside monitor is bust"
"Not a problem mate, the IFAB protocol allows you to describe the incident to me.........although you mustn't tell me what decision to make"
"Oh right! It was handball by Otamendi in the area."
"PENALTY!"
Yes it has to be intentional,even i know that rule,i read next season that is being changed to any handball so if it hits your arm tough titty it's a pen as ruled by VAR (depends on who you play for)But the LOTG state that is has to be intentional, which it clearly wasn't, therefore no penalty. Are you saying that referees should/do referee the game according to the laws as they would like them to be, rather than as they are? That sure would explain a fucking lot!
I think this is exactly what happens. The rule states that handling must be intentional, but the refs are directed not to give any goal that goes in off someones hand/arm, even if they think it was accidental (except against us of course...). You can sort of understand how bad it looks to let a goal like that stand, but if that's how they feel, the rules should be changed. Maybe it's reasonable to call it handing if someone's arm stops a goal, even if it was accidental, but right now that's not how the law's written so they should apply the law or change it. Same with what constitutes a red card challenge - the refs do have some guidelines (although obviously not universally applied), but if that's how they referee, then the rules should be changed accordingly to be more specific than "with excessive force", as it is now.But the LOTG state that is has to be intentional, which it clearly wasn't, therefore no penalty. Are you saying that referees should/do referee the game according to the laws as they would like them to be, rather than as they are? That sure would explain a fucking lot!
UEFA have released their response.
https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2593061.html
This is actually insane:
When such a malfunction of the system occurs, the IFAB protocol allows for the VAR to describe to the referee what can be seen on the TV replay(s) but not tell him the decision that should be taken. The referee then makes a final decision based on his own perception and the information received orally from the VAR.
Is the correct answerIt was used,they deemed no pen,depends which team it is
Peter Walton for BT 'Penalty'."Sorry ref, the pitchside monitor is bust"
"Not a problem mate, the IFAB protocol allows you to describe the incident to me.........although you mustn't tell me what decision to make"
"Oh right! It was handball by Otamendi in the area."
"PENALTY!"
There was no way that second foul was worth a yellow and no honest ref would have given one.
Use them to batter some integrity into the referee?And whilst I'm posting, do the refs and pundits saying Ota's was a pen, realise that players do actually have arms? Wtf are you supposed to do
On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is 'Never a penalty in a million years' (e.g. Sterling v Shakhtar) and 10 is 'Absolutely nailed-on', last night's were both maybe a 5.
But thinking about it, if we're demanding that Boly's goal at Wolves should be ruled out because, intentional or otherwise, it went in off his hand/arm (and I think that's the correct view) then are we being inconsistent if we say that a goal-bound shot hitting a defender's hand or arm isn't handball, regardless of intent?
Otamendi committed zero yellow card offenses and got sent off for two!
Given he was on a yellow, giving him a second yellow and knowing that would mean us going down to 10 men, can only be described as cheating by the officials. Just plain cheating.
There was no way that second foul was worth a yellow and no honest ref would have given one.
That was the view of most of us last night :)The VAR ‘described’ what fucking happened to the ref and the ref overruled himself!?? Fuck off. That’s beyond idiotic.
Its corrupt, we don't know who has "described it to him", it could be the head of a far east betting syndicate for all we know, or the head of UEFA, it probably isn't either, but that is the issue, we just don't know, the fans who've paid good money to go to the game (ours to travel there), nor us watching on TV, so until its fully transparent its bollocks for me.The fact he’s changed his mind and awarded a pen and a yellow “without being told what to do” and from having the replay “described” to him.... it isn’t even a joke. It’s so far beyond parody that it’s not even funny.