New breed of away fan

Don’t do many aways but always go to Wembley and never had a problem with youngsters. Twice in recent years I got into a confrontation with blues, one was a racist Irish prick at anfield 50 plus, one was cussing me for leaving early at home late 30s

There’s a balance to be had but we need lots more boisterous youngsters following us even if they sometimes overstep the mark, as we all did back when.
 
GX Blue said:
Agree. Good post.

My own view is similar:
Dick heads are dick heads - on Coke and beer or not. Young or old.
Nice people can take Coke and drink beer without having fights and going mental.
A lot of people seem to think a couple of lines makes people want to attack anyone left, right or centre! I personally think alcohol is a lot worse for that sort of behaviour.
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Imo coke turns people into dickheads full stop. It's just what kind of dickhead they turn into, which makes the difference.

The other difference is that alcohol usually takes a decent amount of time, to turn people into dickheads.
 
I get a bit bored of people blaming drugs and especially cocaine on this.

Lots of very happy jolly friendly people who can hold a conversation are that way on a long day out because of cocaine. Cocaine and alcohol on a long day out can almost be a must as it keeps them from slumping in a corner, speaking like they’ve got a speech impediment and generally falling about all over the shop due to alcohol - which is a far worse problem on a long day out than cocaine!

The lads you see passed out, the lads you see throwing up, the lads you see falling over people, the lads you see slurring their words, the lads you see dribbling with their eyes almost closed as they bump into ten people in the space of a minute then acting like ten men shouting at the people they’ve bumped into... they’ve not touched cocaine... they’re pissed!

What you notice is dick heads are dick heads whether they take cocaine or not. It’s not the cocaine, it’s the dick head that’s the problem!
 
No idea weather young or old but who thought it would be a good idea.to let a blue smoke bomb off in the shed/bar at newport.
That could of ended very badly with blues trapped in and loads pushing to get in.!
 
It's obviously not all young lads, we are always dealing in probabilities, but 16 to 27 are the years of peak testosterone.
Young blokes are the biggest cause of trouble everywhere; at football, in town centres, on holiday, etc.
There's very few men in their 50s who don't realize that their twenty something self was a knobhead.

The problem for this generation is that 40 years ago this yobbish behaviour was less frowned upon.
Society in general has (quite rightly) become more sensitive to, and less tolerant of, violence of any kind.
Football has had to learn the lessons of Heysel and Hillsborough.
Incidents like the one at the Schalke game, remind us that there is no room for complacency.

I don't know what the answer is, but if the club wants to protect its reputation it needs to think twice about increasing the number of 18-25 year olds attending away games.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Imo coke turns people into dickheads full stop. It's just what kind of dickhead they turn into, which makes the difference.

The other difference is that alcohol usually takes a decent amount of time, to turn people into dickheads.
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Hmmm we'll agree to disagree. Coke taken in a normal amount throughout the day wouldn't turn me into a violent idiot. The complete opposite actually.

Im nearly 40 now and don't touch the stuff and haven't for a while but in my younger days I enjoyed it now and again. Made me feel great, happy, chatty, and enhanced some of my evenings out. Beer made me feel more aggressive. (Not that I was aggressive).

I can only go off my own experience to give my opinion and to me certain people want to cause issues, intoxicated or not.
 
And this is no new breed. Football fans of every club have always been like this.

We’ve had a few years where our support has gone a bit boring at some places. Games where our away support doesn’t even sing for twenty minute stretches in games.

There’s just a few lads of that age where they act like this who happen to have accumulated enough points to go to games now who have come back to our away ends. Just like we had in the 1950s 60s 70s 80s 90s 00s and early 10s.

But this throwing beer over other blues and telling them to fuck off, isn’t a new breed of fan and isn’t a cocaine problem, it’s just a one-off. I’ve not seen this sort of thing going on at other away games.
 
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GX Blue said:
Hmmm we'll agree to disagree. Coke taken in a normal amount throughout the day wouldn't turn me into a violent idiot. The complete opposite actually.

Im nearly 40 now and don't touch the stuff and haven't for a while but in my younger days I enjoyed it now and again. Made me feel great, happy, chatty, and enhanced some of my evenings out. Beer made me feel more aggressive. (Not that I was aggressive).

I can only go off my own experience to give my opinion and to me certain people want to cause issues, intoxicated or not.
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Never mentioned 'violent' .

Most who do coke, don't realise they are being dickheads because they are with other people the same.

Some are actually more affectionate dickheads or more deep & intellectual dickheads.
 
A lot of older people seem to forget what they were like when they were young.
And now become boring old farts.
Yes it can get boisterous and personally I don't like beer thrown over me but it's being happening for years at Concerts.
I'm an old bastard but I get on with the young lot, so do mates of mine who are in the older bracket.
In Düsseldorf the night before the game a big crowd of the young lot were on one side of the small street and a load us us on the other.
We joined in a few songs we mingled, great atmosphere.
Why not try and engage with some of these lads, especially on Euro aways.
You tend to see the same faces, bet the next time you would get a handshake.
 
I didnt see any trouble before or during the game apart from the point where a Schalke fan decided to throw a beer at De Bruyne when he went to take that corner. I wasnt sat in the away end but just next to it and from that point beer was being thrown around everywhere and it started to get a bit hostile.

After the game walking back to the coach was chaos. Young lads scrapping with each other. Witnessed a group of about 4 lads kicking off with another three and one getting headbutted (all City fans), people smacking car windows of the Schalke fans as they were queuing to get out of the car park, one lad bumped into my mate (accidentaly) and tried to make something out of it and when he got nothing out of it started shouting how he was ready for a battle. All concerned I would say were early 20's.

Its fucking pathetic. Seems to have happened over the last couple of seasons. I would be all for going back to having tickets handed out on the day of the game at a check point like it used to be if it cuts it down.

Sorry for the rant and if you disagree then that's fine but just my opinion.
 
It's not just at away games, sadly, or young lads.

The derby game last year, there was a young foreign couple who were queuing at half-time to get into the 93:20 bar who were wearing half and half scarves (a different debate)

It was shameful to watch as two fat 50 somethings attacked the lad, dragged the scarf off his neck and called him Munich this and that. His girlfriend looked petrified and our kid was ready to go and drop these two clowns, before the stewards moved in.

The irony was, they were actually City fans visiting for the first time. I wonder if they ever came back?
 
urban genie said:
Too easy to blame cocaine and alcohol, as their was loads about away days before these lads were born
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Agreed. So why do they do it then?

I think I may have the answer, and that is to upload to social media with a "look at us" bravado attitude. First and foremost, this is a minority element of blues which unfortunately seems to be a growing trend amongst younger fans needing to capture the moment on video to upload to Facefook YouTube Twitter Instagram etc.

I rarely go aways nowadays anymore, and I've only been to West Ham with @Indaparkside. He has mentioned several times to me on how some blues are more interested in booze and charlie on the concourse of watching the match. I can't understand the mentality of that to be honest, I want to see every minute of the game I can and i am game for a laugh, but....... After the game I was waiting for the train on nearby Pudding Mill station and a group of about 6 beak wired City fans were goading a larger group of about 20-25 West Ham fans on opposite platform. Some Hammers looked a bit game and would have easily slapped the smile off their stupid faces if it got nasty.

I like few beers at a game but the idiotic minority does not represent the majority of well behaved match going blues. The main reason I don't drink in Mary D's anymore is because I don't want to hear Munich chants in the back room. I had an argument about 3 seasons ago with a guy about my age happily singing Munich songs with his lad of about 20. I told him he was out of order and should know better than sing Munich songs with his son. The fuckin' idiot thought it was ok. : /
 
Another thread bashing younger supporters for no reason.
‘Who’s idea was it to let off that smoke bomb it could’ve ended off badly’
‘They’re all coked up and violent’
Not condoning any of that behaviour and not saying idiots don’t exist but these ‘incidents’ are all one offs.
Big generalisation
 
In my experience there is good & bad in all areas of life & football is no different. I’ve seen trouble at away matches both here & abroad but have been lucky in that I’ve managed on all but one occasion to avoid getting caught up in it. (The one occasion was the rags match at Wembley when a group of young rag supporters thought it would be fun to try to snatch the bag off an older woman & try to punch me, luckily for me two police officers came to my assistance.)

However I have also seen & experienced some really kind occasions as well. Similar to Newport last week where Newport & City Supporters were helpful & friendly. In fact the good occasions far outweigh any problem occasions.

So, as I say there is good and bad all around us & we, unfortunately, have to accept it. It doesn’t stop us trying to set a good example though. :-)
 
PistonBlue said:
Being a coked up dickhead is not limited to new or younger fans. It's limited to the dickheads who want to get coked up. There are plenty of these dickheads in my generation (mid 40's) and unfortunately dickheads will always behave like dickheads because they are dickheads. Coke and ale just makes them bigger dickheads. Nor is it limited to City fans. Nor is it limited to football. Dickheads can be spotted everywhere.
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Bang on mate. Being a dickhead is not age specific. I've seen enough dickhead behaviour from our fans over the years and on plenty of occasions it's been older fans who were responsible. The same goes for taking coke - plenty of 40 and 50-somethings do coke, so it's not just the younger lot.

Piss poor OP IMO which is unfairly pinning disproportionate blame on our younger fanbase. There were 6 of us who travelled over to the Schalke game - ages 58,50,48,48,16, and 15 - and we all had a blast, particularly in Dusseldorf on Tuesday night when hundreds of fans of ALL ages were bouncing around for hours to the Bernardo song without a hint of trouble.
 
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a lot of people will be annoyed on the thread feeling that they are being accused of getting pissed up / coked up at games, both those fans that don't do this as well as young fans and those fans of ages that do have a drink and coke but are fine with it.

unfortunately if a person acts like an idiot at best of times, give that person drink and coke and it makes them 10 times worse.

Its a society problem and at all stadiums, clubs, concerts. Has to be said there is more of it going on and you see it more at away games, but defo all ages are guilty of it. A lot of fans do see an away game as going out with the lads and getting wrecked, seems football has taken a step back in some instances and its the trip away that is the top of list.
 
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