New breed of away fan

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Haha. Just the staff and players parking their Saab's and Talbots! Away coach always used to move and park behind the Platt Lane Stand, other side of the pink entry.

Certainly throughout late 70's and 80s.

It wasn't really until the 90's the club started to fill the concourse up with cars passed the old development office and ticket office.
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It was definitely used as a car park in the 80's mate. I vividly remember pulling away in my Uncle's pea green Ford Cortina after the Luton game in '83 when a demo (the first of many over the next couple of decades) was taking place outside the front entrance. I also remember he had a season ticket for that space too.
 
Mcfc_nathan_ said:
What defines young? im 19 and do pretty much every game home and away. what i notice is that the people my age is normally the same group of lads you dont see many new faces. i personally believe we are well behaved. the odd pint gets thrown in the concourse (which i dont like) but its normally just in the group of lads you are with, not strangers. i find the problem to be lads in the late 20s early 30s. have a bit of spare cash that they spend on some marching powder and think they are bigger than everyone else.

the problem on wednesday was that they were serving beers to the seats. pissed people were able to get worse etc etc... then they just throw the first thing in sight which would be a pint.
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Make sure you and your mates keep going. We have too many boring, judgemental, old farts amongst our away support.
 
It is interesting reading this. If social media had been around in the seventies and eighties you would have been reading almost every point raised here then. The only difference would be the drug taking, beer throwing and blue on blue fights. I stood on the terraces all over as a kid but never remember beer being thrown about. A few bricks, bottles, kung fu stars and darts but no beer. Maybe we couldn't afford to waste it, who knows? As I got a bit older the odd spliff was passed around and people took a bit of speed but that was it. Blue on blue scraps happened on occasion but were pretty rare, mainly because you had a big mob of away fans who wanted to.kick your head in, so you had to stick together.

Young lads will always be young lads, it will never change. What's hilarious in your teens and twenties you often look back on with embarrassment and sometimes shame in your forties. The seating arrangements don't help now either. When you got the madness out of your system years back you moved from the terraces to the quieter sanctuary of the seats and left the terraces to the up and coming young bucks. Now everyone is mixed in, hence the problem.

We are all Blues young and old, let's hope a bit of understanding and respect can start start to happen between all parties and put this shit to bed.
 
ali benarbia's studs said:
get stewards or cops on teams to niggle it out, as an idea. coke is for clowns.
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Are we looking for when they take it or those who have taken it

Are we after anyone who has had a drink or 5 before a game

Where does it stop. I not endorsing it, i seen first hand the damage cocaine does as I have a family member addicted to it.

But I see it as a society issue not a football issue. To expect clubs to pay for extra police to specifically tackle it or stewards who if they do confront can basically end up in squabbles is not for me.

Right now I no answers. I do agree it is bad when you go to a match and you know somewhere you might see shit going on.
 
Shaelumstash said:
Lads at away days ballooning and going over the top is absolutely nothing new. To tar ALL of the younger generation of fans with the same brush is a bit ignorant and short sighted.

We met loads of lads in their late teens and early 20s on the Tuesday in Dusseldorf, and the overwhelming majority were good lads, having a good time, they were loud and proud but it was all good natured, they weren’t doing anyone any harm.

We found seemingly the only bar in Gelsenkirchen on the Wednesday, got chatting to one fella in his 60s who was sound. Then 8 or so of his mates turned up, all in their 70s, they looked like a pub quiz team handpicked from the Maine Stand.

They weren’t interested in talking to anyone else but themselves, which is fair enough. When we were getting off we said bye, have a good day fellas, that kind of thing. Tumbleweeds. Ignorant, rude pricks. But I’m not going to tar every City fan in their 70s with the same brush, it’s just a one off incident.

Don’t throw a whole group of people under the bus because of the ignorant actions of a few dick heads.
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Please show where I tarred all young fans with the same brush ?? I think you will find I said not all .
 
Shaelumstash said:
Lads at away days ballooning and going over the top is absolutely nothing new. To tar ALL of the younger generation of fans with the same brush is a bit ignorant and short sighted.

We met loads of lads in their late teens and early 20s on the Tuesday in Dusseldorf, and the overwhelming majority were good lads, having a good time, they were loud and proud but it was all good natured, they weren’t doing anyone any harm.

We found seemingly the only bar in Gelsenkirchen on the Wednesday, got chatting to one fella in his 60s who was sound. Then 8 or so of his mates turned up, all in their 70s, they looked like a pub quiz team handpicked from the Maine Stand.

They weren’t interested in talking to anyone else but themselves, which is fair enough. When we were getting off we said bye, have a good day fellas, that kind of thing. Tumbleweeds. Ignorant, rude pricks. But I’m not going to tar every City fan in their 70s with the same brush, it’s just a one off incident.

Don’t throw a whole group of people under the bus because of the ignorant actions of a few dick heads.
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Whilst agreeing with 99%, I think "Good natured", "Loud and proud", and "they weren't doing anyone harm" is open to interpretation.

I was in a pub that was closed prematurely, mainly because a group of city fans refused to climb down from the tables.
Strictly speaking, they weren't doing any harm, but the diners in the restaurant room of the same pub might disagree.
 
mayo31 said:
Are we looking for when they take it or those who have taken it

Are we after anyone who has had a drink or 5 before a game

Where does it stop. I not endorsing it, i seen first hand the damage cocaine does as I have a family member addicted to it.

But I see it as a society issue not a football issue. To expect clubs to pay for extra police to specifically tackle it or stewards who if they do confront can basically end up in squabbles is not for me.

Right now I no answers. I do agree it is bad when you go to a match and you know somewhere you might see shit going on.
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these clowns are out on the town every night, everywhere. taking it at a football game is ridiculous. you hear the generic horsesh1te -talk. i tend to just ignore the idiots.
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
I think there are two parallel arguments, and we need to distinguish between the general behaviour of the younger generation at away matches, and specifically what happened in Gelsenkirchen

Firstly, there’s a fine line where atmosphere morphs into rowdiness or nastiness, and regardless of age or generation gap, the line appears mistier, once you’ve supped or sniffed through the pre match period.

For example, prior to the first CL game, in Munich, I was stone cold sober and totally embarrassed by the general aggressive ambience. However, for the 3-2 victory, I was arguably the most drunken supporter in the stadium. I’m not a fighter, but I’m perfectly capable of being the drunk who thinks he’s funny.

In contrast, Schake was my 100th European fixture, and what I personally witnessed was disgusting bordering on criminal.

I was in a couple of pubs in the Schalke Buer region, and both were closed prematurely, after a number of aggressively drunk City fans refused to climb down from the tables. One of them stood next to me in the stadium, and his conduct was frighteningly manic.

Our Seats were in the S1 section (the first block outside the official away section, but 100% blues) and there was a near riot at Half Time, when a gang of City idiots (all of them in the 18-25 age group) attacked the match stewards, (who served as human segregation barriers)

The bloke in front was hit by a coin thrown from the upper tier of City fan, and to combat the beer throwers, I spent the last 20 minutes with my hood-up,

Just after Schalke’s first penalty, a full pint was thrown into the home end, (and to loud cheers) hit an unsuspecting Schalke fan.

I’ve been to Schalke 6 times, and I’m well aware that they have a small hooligan following. However, this was 100% drunken English mayhem.
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Not a good story
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
I think there are two parallel arguments, and we need to distinguish between the general behaviour of the younger generation at away matches, and specifically what happened in Gelsenkirchen

Firstly, there’s a fine line where atmosphere morphs into rowdiness or nastiness, and regardless of age or generation gap, the line appears mistier, once you’ve supped or sniffed through the pre match period.

For example, prior to the first CL game, in Munich, I was stone cold sober and totally embarrassed by the general aggressive ambience. However, for the 3-2 victory, I was arguably the most drunken supporter in the stadium. I’m not a fighter, but I’m perfectly capable of being the drunk who thinks he’s funny.

In contrast, Schake was my 100th European fixture, and what I personally witnessed was disgusting bordering on criminal.

I was in a couple of pubs in the Schalke Buer region, and both were closed prematurely, after a number of aggressively drunk City fans refused to climb down from the tables. One of them stood next to me in the stadium, and his conduct was frighteningly manic.

Our Seats were in the S1 section (the first block outside the official away section, but 100% blues) and there was a near riot at Half Time, when a gang of City idiots (all of them in the 18-25 age group) attacked the match stewards, (who served as human segregation barriers)

The bloke in front was hit by a coin thrown from the upper tier of City fan, and to combat the beer throwers, I spent the last 20 minutes with my hood-up,

Just after Schalke’s first penalty, a full pint was thrown into the home end, (and to loud cheers) hit an unsuspecting Schalke fan.

I’ve been to Schalke 6 times, and I’m well aware that they have a small hooligan following. However, this was 100% drunken English mayhem.
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Well I’m glad I’m not alone in what we witnessed , as from after some of what I’ve read I thought we were the only ones who had encountered this behaviour.
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
Whilst agreeing with 99%, I think "Good natured", "Loud and proud", and "they weren't doing anyone harm" is open to interpretation.

I was in a pub that was closed prematurely, mainly because a group of city fans refused to climb down from the tables.
Strictly speaking, they weren't doing any harm, but the diners in the restaurant room of the same pub might disagree.
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Sounds like they took it too far, but again, I don't think that's anything new. Today's young fans weren't the first to go overboard.

We were in that Irish bar on the main street opposite the KFC most of the night. It was absolutely rammed full of Blues, the staff didn't know what hit them.

I'm sure there was the odd one who took it too far, but the vast majority were just singing City songs, anti-Liverpool songs when their game was on.

I wouldn't have wanted to be in there with my grandma or my young nieces and nephew's, but it was a bar and it was full of lads being boistrous and lairy. It was nothing different than you'd see at any away game, or in any average boozer at home.
 
Best one I saw was at Saints away a couple of years back. 3 lads next to me giving a guy in front loads of shit. Spat on his head, try to singe his hair with lighter. I asked them to grow the fuck up to which I was pretty much nutted. Before I could even blink the guy in front had turned around and dropped the guy who nutted me and his 2 mates lets say would have been changing their underwear when they got home. I didn't catch the guys name but if you are on here then bravo sir!!

In terms of the debate, some go for the football and the day/night out and some go to be bell ends. I don't think I'll ever understand how people can have so much hatred towards fans of another team that they want to jump on their head or stab them. however, thats just me.
 
Someone had a flag up outside one of the bars in duss saying something like "city on tour", "beak, booze and blues", cant remember ecactly what it said as im an old fart who was only pissed up, great trip again though
 
dannyboy29 said:
Best one I saw was at Saints away a couple of years back. 3 lads next to me giving a guy in front loads of shit. Spat on his head, try to singe his hair with lighter. I asked them to grow the fuck up to which I was pretty much nutted. Before I could even blink the guy in front had turned around and dropped the guy who nutted me and his 2 mates lets say would have been changing their underwear when they got home. I didn't catch the guys name but if you are on here then bravo sir!!

In terms of the debate, some go for the football and the day/night out and some go to be bell ends. I don't think I'll ever understand how people can have so much hatred towards fans of another team that they want to jump on their head or stab them. however, thats just me.
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It’s not just you mate, it’s most of us. The sooner these knobs get arrested and thrown in the nick, the better. People act like this every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night, all over this country, without any football on. The same groups behave like it abroad, again with no football on. Difference is, if the do it in a town centre, they get nicked, do it in a football ground and they don’t. The sooner that changes, the better.
 
blue corby said:
Please show where I tarred all young fans with the same brush ?? I think you will find I said not all .
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Actually what you said was: "not all but a large percentage", but funny how you left the large percentage bit off your post eh? So let's strip that down and try to define what a large percentage is - I'd say using that term would definitely imply 50% or more which is one fucking big accusation to level at a single age group, given that there would probably be hundreds of that age group over there for that game and you're wildly exaggerating your figures based on the behaviour of perhaps half a dozen or so young fans. That's bang out of order whichever way you look at it and I suggest you might want to retract the wording of your post.
 
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