Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

domalino said:
So you geniuses can't tell the difference between a journalist inventing a little background interview on a large piece or some Syrian refugee who will never be heard of again, and writing thousands of fake emails between real people, fake power point slides and fake contracts?

You think that if a newspaper had invented emails between top level employees at Manchester City, that the club would do absolutely nothing except issue a blanket statement that didn't deny anything?

What world are you living in?
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A little background interview? (It was many stories by the way)

Der Spiegel says top journalist faked stories for years
Publication says Claas Relotius committed journalistic fraud ‘on a grand scale’
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You've obviously seen all of the 'evidence' about City and verified it's source?

You don't seem to appreciate the way City handle things like this. You have absolutely no idea either of what they're doing in the background. I 100% believe that it won't just be a single response to the media.
 
domalino said:
The emails were hacked?

You mean the emails which you think don't exist and were all made up?


You are even fucking dumber than I thought.

You've started an argument because I've said the emails were real and not made up, all the while knowing the emails were real and only being upset because they were hacked.

I never said they weren't hacked, I never supported der Spiegel, what I said was that there was a hack and the documents are real.
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More twisting. You can’t help yourself can you?
Did I said they didn’t exist, no. If you can find a post where is said the emails don’t exist then please repost.
Did I say der Spiegel profit from fake news, yes.

And you call others dumb. It’s your go to argument when you are wrong.
Oh and saying I posted something that I didn’t. Do you work for der Spiegel?
 
squirtyflower said:
More twisting. You can’t help yourself can you?
Did I said they didn’t exist, no. If you can find a post where is said the emails don’t exist then please repost.
Did I say der Spiegel profit from fake news, yes.

And you call others dumb. It’s your go to argument when you are wrong. Oh and saying I posted something that I didn’t. Do you work for der Spiegel?
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"Knock yourself out, they have form for making stuff up". Written in reply to my post saying the emails are real.

So tell me what is made up if the emails are real? And why are you replying to a comment about the emails being real if you're not talking about the fucking emails.


Then Let's play a game.

You find a quote from me where I support der Spiegel. Or support criminally hacking emails - both accusations you've thrown at me.

Then get back to me about twisting words.
 
domalino said:
The emails were hacked?

You mean the emails which you think don't exist and were all made up?


You are even fucking dumber than I thought.

You've started an argument because I've said the emails were real and not made up, all the while knowing the emails were real and only being upset because they were hacked.

I never said they weren't hacked, I never supported der Spiegel, what I said was that there was a hack and the documents are real.
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Have you seen the emails allegedly hacked? Have you seen the content?

You must agree that Der Spiegle or any media outlet could take said content, select the parts they want and then report it however they feel sells the best.

If they have these emails, why are they not publishing the full email.

Take the latest ‘leak’ about the Cayman Islands. For all any of us know, it could be an email suggesting we look at that avenue and a responding email saying, no, that’s not possible.

You could take anyone’s private email/text/conversation and suggest anything without context.

For all we know, all these emails could have been mere suggestions. All rubbished by the powers that be.

The only ‘facts’ they’ve put forward were bullshit, see my earlier post.

“Or Liverpool FC center-back Virgil van Dijk: transfer fee 78.8 million, annual salary 9.8 million. And Kevin De Bruyne of Manchester City: transfer fee 76 million, salary 19 million”

“ For its Champions League match against Schalke, Manchester City is charging between 80 and 300 euros for tickets”

Words of fiction.
 
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domalino said:
They aren't lies.



If you believe a massive newspaper in Germany would just invent everything published so far then you're more deluded than a flat earther or one of those people who thinks the world is 6000 years old and dinosaur bones are put their by God to test our faith.
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That took long
I’m bowing out now as you’re never wrong, and I have a match to go enjoy.
Carry on in pointing out how der Spiegel are right on their crusade to besmirch City and moaning that we don’t respond. We don’t respond because we don’t have to.

Toddle pip dear chap.
 
blueinsa said:
Domalino in being never wrong shocker!
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I posted some common sense. The emails aren't lies or invented. We got hacked.

Then some idiots decided that by saying that I was congratulating der Spiegel on some top notch investigative journalism and submitting them for a pulitzer, while campaigning for a pardon for the hacker so got really angry about it.

Fact is the one person who went off on me for saying the emails are real and not made up now agrees they are real and is fucking off.
 
squirtyflower said:
That took long
I’m bowing out now as you’re never wrong, and I have a match to go enjoy.
Carry on in pointing out how der Spiegel are right on their crusade to besmirch City and moaning that we don’t respond. We don’t respond because we don’t have to.

Toddle pip dear chap.
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What exactly is that quote supposed to show?
 
domalino said:
I posted some common sense. The emails aren't lies or invented.

Then some idiots decided that by saying that I was congratulating der Spiegel on some top notch investigative journalism and submitting them for a pulitzer, so got really angry about it.
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More abuse
People who don’t agree with you are sarcastically called geniuses and then idiots. Have you a mirror there?
 
squirtyflower said:
More abuse
People who don’t agree with you are sarcastically called geniuses and then idiots. Have you a mirror there?
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Sometimes abuse is deserved.

Like when someone says something really really stupid like for example.... saying I support criminality because I said the emails were hacked.

That person is a fucking idiot and deserves to be told it, especially when they try to start an argument by whining on about "not responding because it wont suit his narrative"

Fact is you didn't even read my first post. You went off on one saying I supported der Spiegel because I said the emails were real and not made up.
 
I think the big problem now is that probably or certainly some or all City emails have been hacked..
If City deny any lies it identifies the hacked ones.
Probably now a mixture of hacked, exaggerated hacks, lies and partial lies.

The media love this and will continue to sell their financially threatened publications knowing City will treat all stories with the same statement.
 
cookster said:
Moron, fuckwit great debating as usual. I'm sure there's a ban hammer for personal abuse.
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When you're attacking someone for not replying to a comment less than 5 minutes after it has been posted you deserve to be called an idiot and you're not debating.

You're right I probably shouldn't say things like that but on the other hand when a poster attacks you for "supporting crininality" because you said some emails were hacked and not invented, it's hard to not say things as they are.
 
domalino said:
When you're attacking someone for not replying to a comment less than 5 minutes after it has been posted you deserve to be called an idiot.
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Right so this is the first time you've got personal..... no need for insults it's fucking childish.
 
domalino said:
RAWKish delusion in this thread.

"They're lies"

"Why are they lies?"

"Because they are"
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There isn't a big difference between lies and half truths.
These leaks are half truths. Everything is taken out of context.
They even lie outright on occasion.
 
I hope City have invested in a secure email service since the first leak, where only references to content are transferred and you require a gradually changing key to encrypt content and access rules are applied to obtain a key to decrypt and view the content.
 
It's quite clear the emails have been hacked but they way they have been presented, without context (they imply that all this is still going on when there's no evidence of this) and over-sensationalised (most if not all of the stuff we're supposed to have "hidden" was in fact known to UEFA). It is, as the club says, a deliberate and organised attempt to damage our reputation.

I seem to recall that there's another well-known football club that hides financial information behind a wall of secrecy in the Cayman Islands yet nothing about them.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I hope City have invested in a secure email service since the first leak, where only references to content are transferred and you require a gradually changing key to encrypt content and access rules are applied to obtain a key to decrypt and view the content.
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The club uses mimecast judging by the MX records, which is extremely secure and generally uses TLS to encrypt all outbound emails. They can also use TLS to enforce inbound email encryption, so it’s clearly being taken seriously now if it wasn’t before. I’d be very surprised if we saw anymore leaks email wise unless it was literally screenshots/photos over someone’s shoulder.
 
ctid1894 said:
The club uses mimecast judging by the MX records, which is extremely secure and generally uses TLS to encrypt all outbound emails. They can also use TLS to enforce inbound email encryption, so it’s clearly being taken seriously now if it wasn’t before. I’d be very surprised if we saw anymore leaks email wise unless it was literally screenshots/photos over someone’s shoulder.
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reassuring to read that
 
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