UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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M18CTID said:
1904 was when it happened but 1905 was when we were punished. And fuck me, were we punished - with the harshest penalty in the history of English football all because some grassing **** at Aston Fucking Villa claimed we tried to pay them off to lose a game against us in order for us to try and secure the league and FA Cup double, and the subsequent investigation also turned up stories of City over-paying players (big deal - I'm sure that was happening elsewhere too). As far as I know, and I'm sure @Gary James can clarify, we were never actually proven to be guilty of bribing the Villa player, but the authorities decided to take Villa's word for it what with them being an establishment club with a lot of clout and City being the new kids on the block so to speak.

Fast forward 10 years and there was another case of match-fixing - this time involving none other than Manchester United and Liverpool where Liverpool deliberately threw a game (which helped United stave off relegation), but as the FA claimed this was fixed for betting purposes only the players involved in said betting scandal were punished (a total of 7) and the clubs and managers got off scot free, whereas in the 1905 case against City we had something like 17 players banned along with our chairman and manager being banned sine die.
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Too much to say on this - if you want to know the full story of both these read my book Manchester A Football History - but here's a few highlights:

- 1904 MCFC win FAC and runners up in League. Immediately an investigation is launched because someone at the FA felt City were overpaying players. Some minor accounting issues are found; some directors forced to resign but basically northern press think it was a witch hunt against the new kids who had gone from formation as MCFC in 1894 to FA Cup winners and 3rd best supported team within a decade.
- 1905 City trying to win League are accused of trying to bribe AVFC's capt (a respectable England international). Lots of stuff happens at the game - including 1 of City's players being pulled into the Villa dressing room and then thrown out with cuts and bruises a few minutes later. Investigation set up. Villa's capt says Meredith tried to bribe him. Months and months of investigation follow and they conclude by claiming Meredith did attempt to bribe the Villa Capt (Meredith's own views changed when he was banned from receiving his wages) BUT MORE SIGNIFICANTLY that City had been overpaying players. There was a maximum wage and City were paying over that. 17 players, the manager, chairman, several directors etc. were banned. Yet, no evidence had been found 12 months earlier for all of this!
- 1915 MUFC & LFC players fix a match which ultimately guarantees Utd's survival (there were several weeks of games to follow but the 2 points would've relegated Utd). An investigation is set up and - guess what? - Utd's solicitor is asked to be one of the 3 investigators! He spends months on the case before admitting to a journalist that he hadn't even asked the players at Utd what had happened because he knew them and they were all of good character!

Oh, there's so much more!
 
vmsuhail said:
That which responds directly point by point to all the allegations raised. Is it difficult to brief the press and answer the questions if no rules have been breached?
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So you're happy for a trial to be conducted in the media glare?
 
Do City have to wait for UEFA to sanction us? Why not go to CAS now on the grounds that we entered into a settlement agreement that UEFA are seeking to re-open.
 
Rolee said:
So you're happy for a trial to be conducted in the media glare?
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If we have a strong defense against the allegations, then why not ? This is not going to go away until all the investigations are completed and proper answers are out there in the open.
 
Not sure how this will turn out.

Obviously our management will have sought to maximally optimize our side given UEFA restrictions. But breaking UEFA rules to do so... possibly I guess.
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Probably City will be banned from transferring players into the squad for a year. But we can work around that eventuality should it transpire.

Bottom line - not a big deal.
 
Wondering if Jadon Sancho's dad (or whoever) declared his 200k to the HMRC and was it described as a "gift' or wages for income or indeed if we paid him net for his services and paid the Tax and NI for him - if so there'll be a record.
Pretty sure these kind of monies are traceable for payments made for work undertaken (ie scouting - is that whats being claimed?). Would the money men at City have been so careless that we gave him money in a brown envelope taken from an MCFC account? I can't see that.

Having looked at Bruno Zuchellini's history on transfermarkt says we bought him for £2.25 Million from Racing Club on 01.07.2014 loaned him out 7 times then sold him to Hellas Verona for £1.13 Million on 11.07.2017.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bruno-zuculini/profil/spieler/115507
I can't make out what 3rd party rule we are meant to have broken. I understand that whilst at Racing Club he had some 3rd party owners (which is not unusual for that part of the world) and my understanding is that cannot continue in the UK so the 3rd party has to be paid off so we are the sole owner of his registration. Are we accused of not doing that for these paltry sums being discussed? Especially when you consider the 3rd party pay off for Mangala was extortionate.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Not sure how this will turn out.

Obviously our management will have sought to maximally optimize our side given UEFA restrictions. But breaking UEFA rules to do so... possibly I guess.
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Probably City will be banned from transferring players into the squad for a year. But we can work around that eventuality should it transpire.

Bottom line - not a big deal.
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The issue is did UEFA alter rules specifically to punish City and PSG without reasonable notice of their intention to do so?
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Do we think these investigations will run and run or a quick conclusion?
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I think the UEFA one depends on what happens with Rui Pinto. If he faces a criminal court and starts singing like a canary there will be a hell of a lot of people in big football clubs and UEFA circles who will be nervous. It could drag on for years. The whole saga would make a great script for a Hollywood movie.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I think the UEFA one depends on what happens with Rui Pinto. If he faces a criminal court and starts singing like a canary there will be a hell of a lot of people in big football clubs and UEFA circles who will be nervous. It could drag on for years. The whole saga would make a great script for a Hollywood movie.
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Good point, could be a lot like Brexit where no conclusion is reached either way two years later.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Not sure how this will turn out.

Obviously our management will have sought to maximally optimize our side given UEFA restrictions. But breaking UEFA rules to do so... possibly I guess.
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Probably City will be banned from transferring players into the squad for a year. But we can work around that eventuality should it transpire.

Bottom line - not a big deal.
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Out of interest what do you base that on?
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
Wondering if Jadon Sancho's dad (or whoever) declared his 200k to the HMRC and was it described as a "gift' or wages for income or indeed if we paid him net for his services and paid the Tax and NI for him - if so there'll be a record.
Pretty sure these kind of monies are traceable for payments made for work undertaken (ie scouting - is that whats being claimed?). Would the money men at City have been so careless that we gave him money in a brown envelope taken from an MCFC account? I can't see that.

Having looked at Bruno Zuchellini's history on transfermarkt says we bought him for £2.25 Million from Racing Club on 01.07.2014 loaned him out 7 times then sold him to Hellas Verona for £1.13 Million on 11.07.2017.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bruno-zuculini/profil/spieler/115507
I can't make out what 3rd party rule we are meant to have broken. I understand that whilst at Racing Club he had some 3rd party owners (which is not unusual for that part of the world) and my understanding is that cannot continue in the UK so the 3rd party has to be paid off so we are the sole owner of his registration. Are we accused of not doing that for these paltry sums being discussed? Especially when you consider the 3rd party pay off for Mangala was extortionate.
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Add to that Carlos Tevez as well, we bought him out of his 3rd party ownership he was in whilst at the rags for an eye watering amount.
 
Bearing in mind European Leagues resentment against PL clubs are we really the only club that non English teams want investigating?
We report UK media focus on City but will the European media be satisfied with just that?
 
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