The Labour Party

[west didsblue]

They only use bullets at children in Palestine.

Yep, those Hamas terrorists don't mind who gets hit when they start shooting.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Well, he was on a visit to a Muslim Institution, but there is no evidence the egg was fired from the Isreali Embassy.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I agree, I don't think egg throwing is ok at all. I think the wider public perception of it though is that it's less violent/threatening than punching someone in the head. I think the full story of what happened here will come out eventually but there are a few snippets of info out there now that seem to be suggesting this person punched Corbyn in the head whilst holding an egg.

Well, if this idiot has indeed hit him in the head, then he needs prosecuting and jailing for assault. As I said
earlier, I would do this anyway, slinging stuff, and I'm not talking about throwing snowballs, but to deliberately splatter someone
with eggs is not on.

 

[Chris in London]

I know them who throw flour are right dough————— nuts

Anyone throwing flour and eggs is going to get battered

 

[Chippy_boy]

Anyone throwing flour and eggs is going to get battered

You could have milked that one.

 

[Chris in London]

You could have milked that one.

Nobody responded to that for well over a week.

I thought it had gone flat as a pancake

 

[Chippy_boy]

Surprised to see Labour winning the Newport West bi-election with a much reduced majority compared to 2017.

Opposition parties usually win seats off the government or increase their majorities in mid-term bi-elections. Given the dire state of the Tory party and that utter cretin Theresa May at the helm, it is absolutely staggering that Labour could not even maintain its 2017 majority.

One swallow does not make a summer but if this is in any way representative of the mood nationally, it would spell very bad news indeed for Corbyn's chances at a GE held any time soon. It might very well indicate (Fumble will love this, not!) that rather than the 2017 being part of a trend of the political agenda shifting leftwards, it was in fact a high watermark for Corbyn. And that the subsequent mood is shifting back to the centre and the right.

From my perspective, this would seem likely as more and more people realise what complete tossers he and McDonnell are.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Surprised to see Labour winning the Newport West bi-election with a much reduced majority compared to 2017.

Opposition parties usually win seats off the government or increase their majorities in mid-term bi-elections. Given the dire state of the Tory party and that utter cretin Theresa May at the helm, it is absolutely staggering that Labour could not even maintain its 2017 majority.

One swallow does not make a summer but if this is in any way representative of the mood nationally, it would spell very bad news indeed for Corbyn's chances at a GE held any time soon. It might very well indicate (Fumble will love this, not!) that rather than the 2017 being part of a trend of the political agenda shifting leftwards, it was in fact a high watermark for Corbyn. And that the subsequent mood is shifting back to the centre and the right.

From my perspective, this would seem likely as more and more people realise what complete tossers he and McDonnell are.

Turnout predictably low, apparently just 37%? It also looks like the lost Labour votes have gone to the Tories,
which, in an area like Newport, and what we're witnessing from May & Co, is astonishing.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Turnout predictably low, apparently just 37%? It also looks like the lost Labour votes have gone to the Tories,
which, in an area like Newport, and what we're witnessing from May & Co, is astonishing.

I agree it's pretty surprising. Of course the turnout being much lower would mean a lower majority if everyone maintained their share of the vote, but it's dropped by 2/3rds and the vote hasn't dropped by anything like that much, so Labour have lost ground on the Tories, even in share of the vote terms. Unbelievable, Jeff.

 

[Armchair Supporter]

I agree it's pretty surprising. Of course the turnout being much lower would mean a lower majority if everyone maintained their share of the vote, but it's dropped by 2/3rds and the vote hasn't dropped by anything like that much, so Labour have lost ground on the Tories, even in share of the vote terms. Unbelievable, Jeff.

Corbyn is shit.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I agree it's pretty surprising. Of course the turnout being much lower would mean a lower majority if everyone maintained their share of the vote, but it's dropped by 2/3rds and the vote hasn't dropped by anything like that much, so Labour have lost ground on the Tories, even in share of the vote terms. Unbelievable, Jeff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s

Majority %age seems a decent judge - 13% down to 8.2% (share of vote down 52 -> 39%)

Conservative vote %age has dropped 20% too (8% down from 39% to 31%). Looks like the smaller parties have all benefitted a bit.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I agree it's pretty surprising. Of course the turnout being much lower would mean a lower majority if everyone maintained their share of the vote, but it's dropped by 2/3rds and the vote hasn't dropped by anything like that much, so Labour have lost ground on the Tories, even in share of the vote terms. Unbelievable, Jeff.

I know you're a remainer, fair enough, but Wales, including Newport, was overwhelmingly a leave area, I have
said on the other thread that Labour would suffer by its current actions, and it will, most Labour constituencies
voted leave, and although they held this strong seat, in other marginals they'll suffer. What we don't know yet,
is what will happen to Conservative seats, for the same reasons, but if the Labour vote has lost ground to the Tories
in this strong Labour area it doesn't auger well for them.
I'm convinced that despite all this though, even without the Brexit situation, Corbyn at the helm won't result
in a Labour govt, if you can't make gains after a muppet like May, it's time to jack it in.

 

[Ban-jani]

I know you're a remainer, fair enough, but Wales, including Newport, was overwhelmingly a leave area, I have
said on the other thread that Labour would suffer by its current actions, and it will, most Labour constituencies
voted leave, and although they held this strong seat, in other marginals they'll suffer. What we don't know yet,
is what will happen to Conservative seats, for the same reasons, but if the Labour vote has lost ground to the Tories
in this strong Labour area it doesn't auger well for them.
I'm convinced that despite all this though, even without the Brexit situation, Corbyn at the helm won't result
in a Labour govt, if you can't make gains after a muppet like May, it's time to jack it in.

You’re presuming they’re still all leave constituencies.

This is a grave mistake.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You’re presuming they’re still all leave constituencies.

This is a grave mistake.

Unless June 2016 was some sort of Bobby Ewing moment, which with what we're witnessing may well be
the case, I fail to see your point.
Unless it's based on a belief that the winners have all changed their minds, which may also be a grave mistake.

 

[Ban-jani]

Unless June 2016 was some sort of Bobby Ewing moment, which with what we're witnessing may well be
the case, I fail to see your point.
Unless it's based on a belief that the winners have all changed their minds, which may also be a grave mistake.

The fact you keep referring to Leavers as “winners” just shows everyone what you’re really like.

I’m trying not to break CoC but this is hard.

Total numpty.

 

[Ric]

Surprised to see Labour winning the Newport West bi-election with a much reduced majority compared to 2017.

Opposition parties usually win seats off the government or increase their majorities in mid-term bi-elections. Given the dire state of the Tory party and that utter cretin Theresa May at the helm, it is absolutely staggering that Labour could not even maintain its 2017 majority.

One swallow does not make a summer but if this is in any way representative of the mood nationally, it would spell very bad news indeed for Corbyn's chances at a GE held any time soon. It might very well indicate (Fumble will love this, not!) that rather than the 2017 being part of a trend of the political agenda shifting leftwards, it was in fact a high watermark for Corbyn. And that the subsequent mood is shifting back to the centre and the right.

From my perspective, this would seem likely as more and more people realise what complete tossers he and McDonnell are.

I think both main parties will get a bit of a kicking at the next General Election, with the public so disillusioned (for differing reasons) at the way Brexit has been handled. Quite who the beneficiaries of that will be remains to be seen.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The fact you keep referring to Leavers as “winners” just shows everyone what you’re really like.

I’m trying not to break CoC but this is hard.

Total numpty.

I should have known that the sensibilities of those who did not get their way would be outraged at a simple
reaffirmation of a fact, but Hey-Ho, it's nice to be nice , and I will, in future, refer to your section as...
'Those stalwart souls who, despite the justification of their case, were robbed of their morally rightful victory.'

That should prove a soothing balm that should ease the pain of puffed up footstampers such as your goodself.
Hope this helps.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think both main parties will get a bit of a kicking at the next General Election, with the public so disillusioned (for differing reasons) at the way Brexit has been handled. Quite who the beneficiaries of that will be remains to be seen.

Yes, I agree, as I said, the Tories haven't been tested yet, and will surely be affected, but losing votes to the Tories
in Newport, which is what appears to have happened, isn't a good sign for Labour.
We'll see what happens when/if a strong Conservative seat is challenged.

 

[BobKowalski]

Unless June 2016 was some sort of Bobby Ewing moment, which with what we're witnessing may well be
the case, I fail to see your point.
Unless it's based on a belief that the winners have all changed their minds, which may also be a grave mistake.

The 2016 referendum is not the last election data point. The last election data point is the 2017 GE in which Labour benefited by picking up Remain voters. The Labour vote in that election was predominantly Remain. Labour’s concern is about losing votes through being soft on a second vote or being seen to facilitate a hard Tory Brexit. It’s second concern is to appear Brexity enough so as not to scare off its minority Leave voters especially as they are concentrated in specific areas.

As with the 2017 GE I am not convinced Brexit will play that big a role in the next election. Either we will be in transition or operating under an A50 extension and people will have tuned Brexit out. There was little sign that it played a part in last nights election. People are not frothing over ‘betrayal’ or turning out to ‘punish’ either or both main parties. UKIP got a bounce. Second ref parties got a bounce. But not on a scale that will worry the two main parties. The biggest winner last night was the ‘can’t be arsed’ party.

 

[Ban-jani]

I should have known that the sensibilities of those who did not get their way would be outraged at a simple
reaffirmation of a fact, but Hey-Ho, it's nice to be nice , and I will, in future, refer to your section as...
'Those stalwart souls who, despite the justification of their case, were robbed of their morally rightful victory.'

That should prove a soothing balm that should ease the pain of puffed up footstampers such as your goodself.
Hope this helps.

Are you alright?

Seriously, I’m worried