Var debate 2019/20

Manchester_lalala said:
Shit defending or not, it hit his elbow first. You can’t score with an illegal part of the body, intentional or not.
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I think oakie means shit defending over the two games as I thought we won last night but maybe VAR retrospectively took away our third goal because the last Spurs defender didn't see Raheem cut inside him.

Now that the proper footage and interpretation of the handball for Spurs third which should not have stood has come to light you could argue it was shit officialdom that cost us the tie and if oakie will allow some slack Kun's penalty miss.

In any match its not how many you concede but how many more you score that matters and while we can only summize how the last 17 minutes would have gone had the goal correctly been rule out I prefer to think that not taking all our chances were more to " blame " for the 4-4 scoreline over the two legs.
 
meeesh said:
I feel like that this morning,big part of me says I'm finished with this shite,to a degree var is needed,and it will ruin the game we know and love,but let's have it fair,especially for all the fans who pay their money to watch.

I'll be back up for it on Saturday lunchtime,but very unsure about it going forward,just pisses me right off,if we had won all 4 this season,there would be plenty thinking about the future,well if you are a certain age I mean.but let's have one last push to win the league and FA Cup,we can do this.
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You are not alone. I have never liked the CL as to me it is like a bloke a don't trust; I cannot get past the fact that I see it as bent and corrupt and that UEFA are shady to say the least. Last night was a clear handball. It just was and the slow motion stuff now available only confirms what I saw first hand (on the TV) that it was handball. VAR will kill football, of that I am sure. I was totally in favour of it but now we have it, the single obvious glaring weakness of it is there for all to see: it still relies on humans and humans are either idiots with it or see what they and their agenda decides they should see. That is not for me, it spoils the event. Try playing a cheat at monopoly or something equally trivial, it is just a fucking waste of time. The CL is an artificial pile of shite and Spurs, champions of literally nothing and winners of practically nothing for decades are barreling into the last 4. Oh fuck off, what a crock. European Cup my big fat hairy arse. Fuck it.
 
Sky Blue said:
So from next season onwards it will hard to spontaneously cheer a goal. What's the fucking point anymore. My lad rang me up late last night and told me he's fucking his season card off for next season(he's 35 and been going since he was 5). Emotions running high I know but to me it feels like the game I know and love is fucked. I hate VAR with a passion and not just because of last night.
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I Felt the exact same and said it imagine if it had happened vQPR The ref would have been lynched Sooner have an odd error than losing the thriil of a last minute goal
 
s1ty m said:
You are not alone. I have never liked the CL as to me it is like a bloke a don't trust; I cannot get past the fact that I see it as bent and corrupt and that UEFA are shady to say the least. Last night was a clear handball. It just was and the slow motion stuff now available only confirms what I saw first hand (on the TV) that it was handball. VAR will kill football, of that I am sure. I was totally in favour of it but now we have it, the single obvious glaring weakness of it is there for all to see: it still relies on humans and humans are either idiots with it or see what they and their agenda decides they should see. That is not for me, it spoils the event. Try playing a cheat at monopoly or something equally trivial, it is just a fucking waste of time. The CL is an artificial pile of shite and Spurs, champions of literally nothing and winners of practically nothing for decades are barreling into the last 4. Oh fuck off, what a crock. European Cup my big fat hairy arse. Fuck it.
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Hence one big fat reason why I no longer attend CL games after being in the cup scheme for years.Bent as fuck.
 
Can't keep saying that UEFA is bent and that is the reason we are out, did they pay off Laporte to give up two goals?

We are shooting ourselves in the foot every year with missed chances and penalties and then falling to pieces at the back, nearly 20 goals conceded in knockout games since Pep arrived, that for me is the concern.
 
Jesus2018 said:
"And Aguero has just scored there to take the title from Manchester Utd in the last minute of added time. The fans are just waiting to see if it has gone to var. Yes. It has. And the goal is given. The fans here are applauding frantically. Some have even stood up. What an atmosphere"
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This sums it up for me...I was looking for a decent example but this is superb..best I could come up with was jumping for joy after finding out the fit (loose) bird at school fancied you only for you to keep turning round to see if she was sniggering to her mates and taking the piss!!

Dont have a problem with the correctness of decisions (in fact the only one I dont agree with was the penno we got at their place) , but VAR is taking all emotion out of it....dont even enjoy scoring a goal, my natural instincts are to look to the linesman, thats bad enough, but now the stadium falls into silence whilst we all watch the "big screen."
180 mins of superb entertainment, 110000 paying fans, millions entertained on TV around the world watching arguably the best game of football seen in the last 5 years, and some twat in a wanking closet watches tele inbetween visits to "pornhub" turns it into an emotionless computer game.

Well be lucky to get 20000 in the first Champs League home game next year, thats if we havent been kicked out of it, which right now doesnt really bother me.
 
decmancity said:
Can't keep saying that UEFA is bent and that is the reason we are out, did they pay off Laporte to give up two goals?

We are shooting ourselves in the foot every year with missed chances and penalties and then falling to pieces at the back, nearly 20 goals conceded in knockout games since Pep arrived, that for me is the concern.
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Pep has to take it on the chin for the approach in the first leg IMO but is he to blame for Kun missing the penalty much less Laporte's errors? I am surprised by the failure to bring Sane on sooner last night - I thought perhaps even bringing on Riyad might've helped in that low block to get a shot off
 
Where was VAR at Anfield last season ? Where was VAR when Leroy scored in the home fixture days later ?It's OK saying last night's results were correct(although the handball isn't conclusive) It's just that when we needed them last season they were nowhere to be seen ! Imagine going to football game and not being able to celebrate a goal because of fear it won't stand,even though the refs given it? That's the way football is going and it'll kill it.
 
FCBarca said:
Pep has to take it on the chin for the approach in the first leg IMO but is he to blame for Kun missing the penalty much less Laporte's errors? I am surprised by the failure to bring Sane on sooner last night - I thought perhaps even bringing on Riyad might've helped in that low block to get a shot off
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He can't be blamed for errors but the amount of goals we concede considering we have gone into the games as clearly the better team than the opposition. Conceding 6 against Monaco for example just isn't good enough.

Pep decides to use CL knockout games as his lab for testing things and its come back to haunt him now for 7+ years.
 
Interesting watching ESPN's analysis of the incident. They certainly seem to lay the blame for the feed of camera angles at the door of the host broadcaster (BT?). I think this will need clarification or we'll be booing the BT anthem next. Did BT feed all the angles to the VAR judges?
 
I was originally for it but I'm extremely dubious now as to how it's interfering and ruining key moments for fans. Feel like the manner in which the last minute goal was ruled out is the saddest thing about the outcome for me.

Also, they really need to apply it's use consistently. This "clear and obvious" error rule is not working and it's pisssing everyone off. I don't think any decision out of the Rose penalty, Llorente's goal or Sterling's goal was clear and obvious. We've all watched them dozens of times and still can't agree.

Vertonghen's encroachment into the penalty area was clearly wrong though. He ventured a long way on and was there to clear the rebound. Why wasn't that checked?
 
decmancity said:
He can't be blamed for errors but the amount of goals we concede considering we have gone into the games as clearly the better team than the opposition. Conceding 6 against Monaco for example just isn't good enough.

Pep decides to use CL knockout games as his lab for testing things and its come back to haunt him now for 7+ years.
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You can't mix seasons much less opponents to draw a conclusion like that IMO.
 
Gabriel said:
Interesting watching ESPN's analysis of the incident. They certainly seem to lay the blame for the feed of camera angles at the door of the host broadcaster (BT?). I think this will need clarification or we'll be booing the BT anthem next. Did BT feed all the angles to the VAR judges?
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I assume everyone had a similar view from their broadcast because I noticed the same thing, the feed coming to Cakir seemed to focus on angles other than the conclusive one. Deliberate or merely incompetent? This is an issue no question
 
FCBarca said:
I assume everyone had a similar view from their broadcast because I noticed the same thing, the feed coming to Cakir seemed to focus on angles other than the conclusive one. Deliberate or merely incompetent? This is an issue no question
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It certainly needs clarification. Given that the adjudicators presumably recommend the referee review an incident because they have seen something untoward, then it seems inane to repeatedly show him an angle that does no more than confirm his original assessment. That leads me to conclude that the VAR adjudicators did indeed see the behind-the-goal angle, hence the review, but that those in charge of relaying the feed to the referee made a mistake and were 'unable' to do so. As I say, it certainly deserves explaining.
 
VAR is just another tool to manipulate the outcome of games.

I suspect stats won't be kept but I'd lay odds that, now it has been introduced, there will be more reviews in City's Champions League games than any other team.

There are two key aspects, amongst many, where the game can be manipulated a) in which events are reviewed and b) where there is a 50/50 decision that can be interpreted either way.

So far in the CL we've had VAR where the ref couldn't see a replay because the tv didn't work and which resulted in a penalty against us and a situation where the ref actually threw up his hands acknowledging that our guess was as good as his. In fact, my guess was better because I saw it from the correct angle. He didn't get the chance.
 
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