Liverpool thread 2018/19

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chester57 said:
" Liverpools history, once you scratch below the surface , over the last 100 years is woefully deficient, and I defy anyone to argue otherwise. " Ok I will have a go, 16 leagues, 7 FA Cups, 8 Football League Cups, 5 Champions League, 3 UEFA Cups. If that is deficient please supply me with the teams that have done well in that time.
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You are overwhelmingly referring to a 26 year period over the course of significantly more than a century, within which Liverpool were unquestionably imperious. My point, although arguably deficiently advanced in my previous post, is that over the course of that 100 years, for the vast majority of that time, 60 years at a guess, you’ve been ordinary, and lacking any real, or meaningful threat.

I state this not to belittle your club’s achievements, which were incredible from the mid-sixties to the late eighties, but to serve as a reminder that success, status and influence in football can be fleeting, and anyone who ascribes the title “nothing club” to a football institution that was formed in 1894, and has as much a story to tell as any other club, not only defiles that club, but every committed fan of any other club that just wants the club they support to be everything it can.

When Liverpool fans describe City in those terms (not saying you do btw) they defile so many other clubs by implication, which goes some way to explain why so many ‘neutrals’ want City to win the league.

History isn’t ultimately about trophies, it’s about people feeling that what they’ve invested in the past provides some sort of reward in the future; and there are no set of supporters in football who invested more in their club, relatively speaking, than Cty fans of a certain vintage.

We’ve got the stripes, and deserve every minute of what we’re now experiencing; and no Liverpool ‘fan’ from Bedford, who’s been to Anfield three times, and never had to properly dig deep as a supporter, can even begin to tell me otherwise.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are overwhelmingly referring to a 26 year period over the course of significantly more than a century, within which Liverpool were unquestionably imperious. My point, although arguably deficiently advanced in my previous post, is that over the course of that 100 years, for the vast majority of that time, 60 years at a guess, you’ve been ordinary, and lacking any real, or meaningful threat.

I state this not to belittle your club’s achievements, which were incredible from the mid-sixties to the late eighties, but to serve as a reminder that success, status and influence in football can be fleeting, and anyone who ascribes the title “nothing club” to a football institution that was formed in 1894, and has as much a story to tell as any other club, not only defiles that club, but every committed fan of any other club that just wants the club they support to be everything it can.

When Liverpool fans describe City in those terms (not saying you do btw) they defile so many other clubs by implication, which goes some way to explain why so many ‘neutrals’ want City to win the league.

History isn’t ultimately about trophies, it’s about people feeling that what they’ve invested in the past provides some sort of reward in the future; and there are no set of supporters in football who invested more in their club, relatively speaking, than Cty fans of a certain vintage.

We’ve got the stripes, and deserve every minute of what we’re now experiencing; and no Liverpool ‘fan’ from Bedford, who’s been to Anfield three times, and never had to properly dig deep as a supporter, can even begin to tell me otherwise.
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I want to like this post a thousand times, doffs cap!!
 
lasereyes said:
Not to mention the small fact of their substantial financial advantage over those 26 years, even though the Anfield annals will have you know they were all academy-bred
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They were unquestionably advantaged, but they bought well, had (for the time) a progressive style of football and were dominant in a way that cannot be ignored. They made the most of their advantage.

They may not have produced many superstars from within, but anyone who saw them come to Maine Road in the 80’s cannot dismiss their influence on the English game back then, as somehow inferior to City’s right now. They were on another planet.

They were a machine, but in the modern era, since football was redefined and recalibrated with the backpass rule, they’ve been nothing short of a inefficacious shambles, who have zero right to pontificate.

Let’s all hope that continues. The alternative doesn’t bear thinking about.
 
Is it even 26 years of being the dominant force also? I worked out there were 7 different winners from 1965–66 to 1974–75(10 seasons).

Derby and Leeds won just as many titles as Liverpool in that time. City had a great team as we all know, who were only one behind, as were United(edit: actually won in 1964–65 as well, but lets keep it at 10 seasons) Everton and Arsenal. I wasn't around but it seems like it was a very competitive era up until that point.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are overwhelmingly referring to a 26 year period over the course of significantly more than a century, within which Liverpool were unquestionably imperious. My point, although arguably deficiently advanced in my previous post, is that over the course of that 100 years, for the vast majority of that time, 60 years at a guess, you’ve been ordinary, and lacking any real, or meaningful threat.

I state this not to belittle your club’s achievements, which were incredible from the mid-sixties to the late eighties, but to serve as a reminder that success, status and influence in football can be fleeting, and anyone who ascribes the title “nothing club” to a football institution that was formed in 1894, and has as much a story to tell as any other club, not only defiles that club, but every committed fan of any other club that just wants the club they support to be everything it can.

When Liverpool fans describe City in those terms (not saying you do btw) they defile so many other clubs by implication, which goes some way to explain why so many ‘neutrals’ want City to win the league.

History isn’t ultimately about trophies, it’s about people feeling that what they’ve invested in the past provides some sort of reward in the future; and there are no set of supporters in football who invested more in their club, relatively speaking, than Cty fans of a certain vintage.

We’ve got the stripes, and deserve every minute of what we’re now experiencing; and no Liverpool ‘fan’ from Bedford, who’s been to Anfield three times, and never had to properly dig deep as a supporter, can even begin to tell me otherwise.
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The way Liverpool fans go on about history, you would think they have a monopoly on it. What most of them don't understand or don't want to admit is that their golden era came off the back of a significant investment from the Moores family. They bought success; the very thing they're constantly accusing us of doing since the takeover.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
They were unquestionably advantaged, but they bought well, had (for the time) a progressive style of football and were dominant in a way that cannot be ignored. They made the most of their advantage.

They may not have produced many superstars from within, but anyone who saw them come to Maine Road in the 80’s cannot dismiss their influence on the English game back then, as somehow inferior to City’s right now. They were on another planet.

They were a machine, but in the modern era, since football was redefined and recalibrated with the backpass rule, they’ve been nothing short of a inefficacious shambles, who have zero right to pontificate.

Let’s all hope that continues. The alternative doesn’t bear thinking about.
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Hmm, there's a certain club today that fits that description to a tee.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are overwhelmingly referring to a 26 year period over the course of significantly more than a century, within which Liverpool were unquestionably imperious. My point, although arguably deficiently advanced in my previous post, is that over the course of that 100 years, for the vast majority of that time, 60 years at a guess, you’ve been ordinary, and lacking any real, or meaningful threat.

I state this not to belittle your club’s achievements, which were incredible from the mid-sixties to the late eighties, but to serve as a reminder that success, status and influence in football can be fleeting, and anyone who ascribes the title “nothing club” to a football institution that was formed in 1894, and has as much a story to tell as any other club, not only defiles that club, but every committed fan of any other club that just wants the club they support to be everything it can.

When Liverpool fans describe City in those terms (not saying you do btw) they defile so many other clubs by implication, which goes some way to explain why so many ‘neutrals’ want City to win the league.

History isn’t ultimately about trophies, it’s about people feeling that what they’ve invested in the past provides some sort of reward in the future; and there are no set of supporters in football who invested more in their club, relatively speaking, than Cty fans of a certain vintage.

We’ve got the stripes, and deserve every minute of what we’re now experiencing; and no Liverpool ‘fan’ from Bedford, who’s been to Anfield three times, and never had to properly dig deep as a supporter, can even begin to tell me otherwise.
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I watched my first game when we were in the second division, and I stuck with them By your reckoning we can say the same about Man Utd. I believe that people support whoever, City, Lpool, Huddersfield etc and that is their club and they stick with them whatever. I believe I am lucky I went to Rome in 77 and have seen some great games, same as Utd, Leeds yourselves etc etc, even Everton (maybe). I think we should always argue over footy and leave it there, when it gets personal....and I will leave that there as well. If you are City great, I am a scouser of the red variety, just arguing about footy.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The way Liverpool fans go on about history, you would think they have a monopoly on it. What most of them don't understand or don't want to admit is that their golden era came off the back of a significant investment from the Moores family. They bought success; the very thing they're constantly accusing us of doing since the takeover.
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I think the reason there is no documentation of just when they bought into the club, is because one of them already owned a majority share in Everton and it probably wouldn't have been allowed by the football league.

Back then it was piss easy to hide these things, the fact that it does seem like it's been erased from history, probably does say "under the table financial doping" to me.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Never go FULL DIPPER.....

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chester57 said:
I watched my first game when we were in the second division, and I stuck with them By your reckoning we can say the same about Man Utd. I believe that people support whoever, City, Lpool, Huddersfield etc and that is their club and they stick with them whatever. I believe I am lucky I went to Rome in 77 and have seen some great games, same as Utd, Leeds yourselves etc etc, even Everton (maybe). I think we should always argue over footy and leave it there, when it gets personal....and I will leave that there as well. If you are City great, I am a scouser of the red variety, just arguing about footy.
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That’s his point I think, you can say it for all clubs yet some (us) are classed as having no history whilst others (you and rags) are classed as being full of it.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The way Liverpool fans go on about history, you would think they have a monopoly on it. What most of them don't understand or don't want to admit is that their golden era came off the back of a significant investment from the Moores family. They bought success; the very thing they're constantly accusing us of doing since the takeover.
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They are not alone in that regard. With the possible exception of Spurs, at some point, all of the ‘Big 6’ have benefitted from some form of destiny changing investment that wasn’t generated by revenue; united being more a case in point than any other club.

You are correct about a lack of understanding from Liverpool fans in particular. Because I love City as I do, I have taken the time to extensively research the club’s history and learn about its past, warts and all. Regrettably, most Liverpool and united fans don’t enbark on the same journey, presumably because they don’t care as much about the club they profess to support. If you genuinely think or believe that the United v Liverpool fixture has ‘always’ been the biggest fixture in English football then you merely serve to underline your inability to think for yourself and analyse.

This fixture only came to the forefront in the 70’s. Prior to that is was unquestionably subservient to the Manchester Derby and the City/united v Everton fixture. It’s insane how many united and Liverpool fans fail to appreciate or accept this. There is literally no evidence to support any rebuttal to this point.

This fixture may have become the biggest, or most prominent game in English football, but suggest this was the case half a century ago offends the bounds of logic and common sense. It is a construct of the modern game and should be evaluated accordingly.

That is to say, it’s all a bit plastic.
 
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inchy14 said:
That’s his point I think, you can say it for all clubs yet some (us) are classed as having no history whilst others (you and rags) are classed as being full of it.
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Well for some reason the call themselves european royalty and some even state that they own a certain trophy - well i would say real madrid hold that accolade and even ac milan have a better case than liverpool

But then that is liverpool for you. They are cut from the self entitled cloth that the rags wear. The best next thing that could hapoen in modern football and in the premiership would be for a wealthy benefactor to purchase and build Everton
 
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Think it's starting to hit home that if we do our job there is fuck all they can do about it:

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They are so emotional and maudlin to come out with stuff like this. "A tragedy to football if we don't win the league". Just fuck off. Try Valley Parade, Heysel and Hillsborough if you're looking for footballing tragedies. You have to respect Liverpool for the sensational season they've had, and I do, but when their fans come out with self indulgent bollocks like this, you have to wonder at their lack of self-awareness and you realise exactly why them winning the league is most neutral's worst nightmare. Everyone outside the Anfield clan understands this but they just don't get it.
 
chester57 said:
I watched my first game when we were in the second division, and I stuck with them By your reckoning we can say the same about Man Utd. I believe that people support whoever, City, Lpool, Huddersfield etc and that is their club and they stick with them whatever. I believe I am lucky I went to Rome in 77 and have seen some great games, same as Utd, Leeds yourselves etc etc, even Everton (maybe). I think we should always argue over footy and leave it there, when it gets personal....and I will leave that there as well. If you are City great, I am a scouser of the red variety, just arguing about footy.
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I have no issue with genuine Liverpool fans like yourself. Unlike many posters on this board, I genuinely like Scousers and have several season ticket holding Scouse Liverpool fans who I consider to be good friends. Liverpool is one of my favourite cities in the UK.

You do have, however, a decent rump of supporters who are significantly more insufferable than any others. Maybe it’s a function of your relative lack of success, or simply the type who are attracted to supporting your club, but pretty much everyone I speak to about Liverpool supporters holds the same view. Your desperation for success has bred a monster that cannot, and will not be contained.

No football club is objectively special, but to believe yours is, as many if your supporters do, to the detriment of other clubs, is the height of football supporting hubris.

That’s why you encounter so much hostility on this board, which, for what it’s worth, I do not believe you personally deserve.
 
M18CTID said:
That's the best of the lot. So it's now City's fault that United have made arguably the worst set of footballing decisions over the past 6 years than any other club in the history of the game when relative resources are taken into account? Just let that sink in for a moment blues.....

It's City's fault that United appointed Moyes
It's City's fault that United dawdled and signed Fellaini for a higher fee than they could've gotten him for a few weeks earlier
It's City's fault that United gave Rooney a new 5 year contract when he was clearly in decline
It's City's fault that United adopted a scattergun transfer policy in the early weeks of van Gaal's reign
It's City's fault that Di Maria didn't work out
It's City's fault that Falcao didn't work out
It's City's fault that United sacked van Gaal while he was still celebrating winning the FA Cup
It's City's fault that United appointed a damaged goods manager in Mourinho who had got himself deliberately sacked from his previous job
It's City's fault that United let Pogba go for fuck-all then signed him back for a world record fee
It's City's fault that United signed Lukaku for £90 million
It's City's fault that United broke the bank to sign Sanchez and put him on half a million quid a week
It's City's fault that Pogba is shit
It's City's fault that Lukaku is shit
It's City's fault that Sanchez is so shit that he has proven to be a better piano player at United than a football player
It's City's fault that Luke Shaw is a fat bastard
It's City's fault that Ashley Young is a diving twat who eats bird shit
It's City's fault that Ole is now at the wheel and has overseen United's worst run of away defeats for 38 fucking years
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We've got a lot to answer for
 
Just checked the bbc website and the article for their win shows a beaming klopp looking smug at the camera with....yes you guessed it, the complimentory ( or should that be mandatory ) liverpool lfc baseball cap

He really is being used to also push the brand at every opportunity, surprised they dont have the liver bird image on each of his gnashers
 
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