The victims reference may have its origins at Hillsborugh but it far transcends Hilsbrough now..
I horrifically watched Hillsborough live on tv after witnessing the same fans ( 2 coaches and a couple of layland minibuses ) a couple of hours before ransacking a family members shop At the bottom of the woodhead pass. walking out with what ever they wanted , Booz , snacks, even flowers pushing a elderly aunt out of there way .
And when I here the song within its Kiev content I’m thinking about the Uproar they has when Salah was injured , playing the victims
only as a after thought do I think about “ arrr yea rags call them victims “ for not taking any responsibility for the tragedy that happens In Sheffield..
and to be honest in my eyes and many others who had the displeasure of bumping into them ****s that day, in another time , without the pc brigade of today , the jury’s still out on there behaviour and subsequent consequences,
but that’s another argument.
As is the poor bloke who got done in by the Roma fans , club sponsored hostile reception to the opposition team bus (free for all for idiots to do what they want with minimum investigation ) and whilst Roma would have been lurking and looking for trouble , maybe lfc antics could have prevented it to an extent rather then stoking the flames that led to a poor bloke getting life changing injuries, then accepting zero responsibility
I never once thought about the cox bloke whilst hearing the song until yesterday.
The victims fits them perfectly and the Rags new it way before the rest of us cottoned on....
Will be sung double loud on Sat and so it should .. we shouldn’t be censored by the press coz the dippers are offended again ..
You know what is meant by Liverpool and Victims. That is the Always the Victims never your fault argument. They are doing a lot to convince me that that is true at the moment, but this argument was employed by some Mancs in the aftermath of Hillsborough.
The media as usual got this all wrong. This song stems out of rivalry and in particular the bus attack which they almost totally ignored but that does not mean we can say and do what we want. As a fanbase we are better than that. We didn't after all respond in kind when Liverpool fans came to City. We should change the words or stop singing it. There's bits I love, such as Sterling did the Double, Scousers won F'all, but other bits I don't like.
It doesn't come close though to a 1,000 fans raining down bottles on our bus in a pre-planned organised and policed event.
It's about an alfresco chippyDoes anyone know what battered in streets refers to? Or is it just a metaphor?
The word victim in this context can be interpreted in many ways .
It’s the media who is making the assumption.
Battered in the streets is about some Liverpool fans getting hurt. What else can it mean? Does it matter which fan?Victims of it all. The all, referring to the previous lines. Particularly pertinent to the fuss made about the Salah/Ramos incident.
This is NOT about Hillsborough/Heysel or Sean Cox and everyone knows it. So why are people saying it could be about this and that.
It's about their failed trip to Kiev and Liverpool fans need to feel victimised by all and sundry, nothing more nothing less.
Only we have all hear the always the victim never your fault argument a thousand times and know perfectly well what this means.It's open to interpretation, which means of course they can and will take it to mean a reference to Hillsborough. We know that. They know that. So it effectively is, even if some people want to justify it with shades of meaning.
We could so easily change the words to be about all manner of things, including their fan's attack on the team bus.
It has been sung all season,we won on sunday and they have seen their arses proving the point that they play the victims over everything,blues now saying it's about Hillsborough and Cox are doing the dipper media's job for them,they should look at their own songs that specifically name things that have happened before they throw stonesIt's open to interpretation, which means of course they can and will take it to mean a reference to Hillsborough. We know that. They know that. So it effectively is, even if some people want to justify it with shades of meaning.
We could so easily change the words to be about all manner of things, including their fan's attack on the team bus.
The jury is not out on Hillsborough. A public inquiry concluded based on lots of evidence that it happened because of a massive organisational fuck up by the police. Then, they conspired with the government and the press to cover it up. This is not up for debate, it was proven.
Hooliganism happened everywhere in the 80s, crowd crushes and deaths did not.
No apologies for any Shipman songsIt has been sung all season,we won on sunday and they have seen their arses proving the point that they play the victims over everything,blues now saying it's about Hillsborough and Cox are doing the dipper media's job for them,they should look at their own songs that specifically name things that have happened before they throw stones
This,blues saying we should change the words are wrong and pandering to the dippersNo apologies for any Shipman songs
Munich songs
Runway songs
Fuck the scouse ****s
Allez off you stanley knife scummy twats
It has been sung all season,we won on sunday and they have seen their arses proving the point that they play the victims over everything,blues now saying it's about Hillsborough and Cox are doing the dipper media's job for them,they should look at their own songs that specifically name things that have happened before they throw stones
The club absolutely should not say that,that is not what the song is about,the dippers have saying it now because they lost the league,they haven't mentioned it before,they are playing the victims,offended by everything,living up to their reputation,changing the words is totally the wrong thing to oThis is exactly what I mean about black and white. My point is it's a grey area. If you're part of their fan base of course you're likely to interpret it that way because it's very open to interpretation. Pretending that it isn't is just sticking your head in the sand.
Fans have been singing it all season but players singing it and the club officially defending it is a different matter as we all know.
Daft response from the club: all they had to say was "players didn't understand there could be that interpretation. We'll advise them to not chant that one to those words again. Cheers." That would have knocked it on the head.
And I really don't see how me commenting to fellow City fans on a City forum is 'doing the dipper media's job for them'.
Yes, we’ve sung it, but I don’t remember it being sung like this?
You only have to look how fucked off Pep was after getting off that coach at the Scousers ground. He gave them a fuckin mouthfull. He's even had to come out and have a pop at the press regarding their bias towards Liverpool too.Taking sides.
When every Liverpool fan say’s sorry and shows just a little bit of remorse for the City coach attack, instead of still seeing nothing wrong with it, and still laughing about it, I might change my views on our version of Allez? Until then, f*** em!
This is exactly what I mean about black and white. My point is it's a grey area. If you're part of their fan base of course you're likely to interpret it that way because it's very open to interpretation. Pretending that it isn't is just sticking your head in the sand.
Fans have been singing it all season but players singing it and the club officially defending it is a different matter as we all know.
Daft response from the club: all they had to say was "players didn't understand there could be that interpretation. We'll advise them to not chant that one to those words again. Cheers." That would have knocked it on the head.
And I really don't see how me commenting to fellow City fans on a City forum is 'doing the dipper media's job for them'.