Cleverly done sir
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Question Time
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Chippy_boy
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You just don't get it do you.Can only go off your previous posts, I confirm this is an opinion of you which I have formed, I think it may be the case. I do not claim it to be a matter of fact.
Quite liberating that. Join me on the moral high ground the view is lovely.
I make a throw-away comment, and you arbitrarily decide that what I mean is "FACT: abc, xyz" and accuse me of lying. When no such "FACT" claim was made at all. And you seem oblivious to how inappropriate and downright offensive it is to accuse people of lying, let alone as a knee-jerk response to some throw-away line. It's not only offensive, it's objectively incorrect. Moreover, instead of manning up and saying "yeah, fair enough the lying comment was out of order", you dig your bloody heels in.
On the other hand, you are free to make any throw-away comment, similarly assuming some position or other, and we are automatically supposed to realise you are not asserting whatever claim to be a fact, merely an opinion.
Are you suggesting Remainers should post some sort of disclaimer at the bottom of every post, just to make it abundantly clear that we're only stating an opinion? But that Leavers don't need to bother, because everything they say is so crystal clear in its meaning?
Your position is ridiculously hypocritical and completely offensive.
You always post as if everything you think and say should be treated as tablets of stone stuff - when often it is just your opinion and nothing more
And as for suggesting he is digging his heels in - that is indeed a 'ridiculously hypocritical' position - this is dragging on for one reason only - and it is not down to Hilts (IMO)
IMO - see what I did there?
And as for suggesting he is digging his heels in - that is indeed a 'ridiculously hypocritical' position - this is dragging on for one reason only - and it is not down to Hilts (IMO)
IMO - see what I did there?
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Bear in mind that in no way am I suggesting that the Scottish voters will have seen a seismic shift in support of leave suddenly. Maybe 4% shift in certain areas at a guess, i'm just making the suggestion that the reason you're seeing this animosity and more vocal brexit voices, even in places as Scotland, is that possibly some remainers are as angry as the leavers are that we haven't left the EU, and accuse our own Parliament for failing to implement a democratic decision undertaken by the electorate.
That although they are still remainers and would vote to remain in another referendum, they still agree that we must leave the EU on that basis and that Parliament has taken way too long due to their own pettiness, infighting and bickering, to implement a satisfactory conclusion that delivers upon the promise they all made in 2016 before the referendum, when they voted to invoke A50, when we voted for parties that made leaving the EU part of their manifesto in 2017, and yet still, have failed to do so.
They've not changed their mind on support of the EU, they've possibly changed their minds on opposing the decision to leave and reject the notion to hold another referendum.
First of all I don’t think for a second that any great deal of remainers are angry we’ve not left yet. I think most are angry at the likes of Farage and Johnson for lying and May and Corbyn for being useless.
My new boss thinks we now should leave the EU, even though he voted Remain and he’s a Liberal Democrat but he’s not angry about it and he’s the only one I know. Most remainers want to revoke A50 or have another vote.
Brexiteers that are sticking to their guns want Brexit at any cost now.
We know this by looking at the local election results and the BP polling high.
Specifically last night, the audience weren’t necessarily just clapping the “will of 17.4m people” crap - they were clapping panellist’s general positive remarks about why Brexit is a good idea.
They also had many in the audience agreeing with the right wing generally, not just about Brexit.
This isn’t representative of how Scotland is.
hilts
Well-Known Member
First of all I don’t think for a second that any great deal of remainers are angry we’ve not left yet. I think most are angry at the likes of Farage and Johnson for lying and May and Corbyn for being useless.
My new boss thinks we now should leave the EU, even though he voted Remain and he’s a Liberal Democrat but he’s not angry about it and he’s the only one I know. Most remainers want to revoke A50 or have another vote.
Brexiteers that are sticking to their guns want Brexit at any cost now.
We know this by looking at the local election results and the BP polling high.
Specifically last night, the audience weren’t necessarily just clapping the “will of 17.4m people” crap - they were clapping panellist’s general positive remarks about why Brexit is a good idea.
They also had many in the audience agreeing with the right wing generally, not just about Brexit.
This isn’t representative of how Scotland is.
Audiences
How are audiences selected for Question Time?
Question Time selects local audiences which reflect a broad range of political views. People apply to be in the audience for Question Time via the website and by phone and producers get in touch to ask questions on their previous voting record and future voting intentions, whether they have party political membership and also how they voted in the EU Referendum. This is to ensure a range of views are represented in the audience. Occasionally, if production staff feel any group or view is under-represented in the applications, they will promote the programme through relevant local media channels to encourage people to apply.
As with the make-up of the panels, Question Time is aiming to achieve due impartiality in the membership of the audience across the series as a whole, rather than being confined to an exact mathematical formula for each programme. However, particular guidelines will apply during election periods to both panels and audiences.
i guess there's nothing the BBC can do if people lie on their application, but last night was a bit silly. Barely any hands went up when asked if they were an SNP supporter, and some kind soul pointed out there were 2 tory councillors, a tory treasurer and a former tory MSP in the audience.
it's a shite programme anyway really. just reinforces whatever biases you have as its such a poorly run 'debate'.
it's a shite programme anyway really. just reinforces whatever biases you have as its such a poorly run 'debate'.
Audiences
How are audiences selected for Question Time?
Question Time selects local audiences which reflect a broad range of political views. People apply to be in the audience for Question Time via the website and by phone and producers get in touch to ask questions on their previous voting record and future voting intentions, whether they have party political membership and also how they voted in the EU Referendum. This is to ensure a range of views are represented in the audience. Occasionally, if production staff feel any group or view is under-represented in the applications, they will promote the programme through relevant local media channels to encourage people to apply.
As with the make-up of the panels, Question Time is aiming to achieve due impartiality in the membership of the audience across the series as a whole, rather than being confined to an exact mathematical formula for each programme. However, particular guidelines will apply during election periods to both panels and audiences.
A range of views haha.
let’s just throw the only Tory Leavers in Scotland into the room and have the host making snide remarks in support of Brexit all night.
hilts
Well-Known Member
A range of views haha.
let’s just throw the only Tory Leavers in Scotland into the room and have the host making snide remarks in support of Brexit all night.
Just for reference that post. I have heard lots about bias on question time over the years from all sides of the political debate. I do not accept people at the BBC or those in charge of vetting are pulling a fast one. I think some people are taking advantage of a basic vetting procedure. This is TV and not MI5. Personally it doesn’t bother me as I’m an adult and don’t let an audience reaction affect my views.
Most panelist’s are remainers and it doesn’t bother me at all. Fiona Bruce herself asked how many SNP voters were in the audience. If this was a stitch up she obviously didn’t get the email.
Just for reference that post. I have heard lots about bias on question time over the years from all sides of the political debate. I do not accept people at the BBC or those in charge of vetting are pulling a fast one. I think some people are taking advantage of a basic vetting procedure. This is TV and not MI5. Personally it doesn’t bother me as I’m an adult and don’t let an audience reaction affect my views.
Most panelist’s are remainers and it doesn’t bother me at all. Fiona Bruce herself asked how many SNP voters were in the audience. If this was a stitch up she obviously didn’t get the email.
Yes she did and there were how many? She had to ask several times and even said the majority here are disagreeing with what the SNP bloke said.
The SNP are comfortably the largest party in Scotland and yet are vastly unrepresented in the audience there.
They’re not going to change my views by putting Tory Scots or Brexit Scots in the crowd but we’ve seen how media and social media can easily set a fake precedent in politics and convince those on the fence.
It’s dangerous and a so called neutral broadcaster such as the BBC shouldn’t be doing it.
hilts
Well-Known Member
Yes she did and there were how many? She had to ask several times and even said the majority here are disagreeing with what the SNP bloke said.
The SNP are comfortably the largest party in Scotland and yet are vastly unrepresented in the audience there.
They’re not going to change my views by putting Tory Scots or Brexit Scots in the crowd but we’ve seen how media and social media can easily set a fake precedent in politics and convince those on the fence.
It’s dangerous and a so called neutral broadcaster such as the BBC shouldn’t be doing it.
My whole point was the fact she said it doesn’t fit the narrative that the BBC is being intentionally biased. It’s probably down to the vetting procedure and non SNP voters being keener to be on in this instance. I can guarantee it will work the other way at some point.
Chippy_boy
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I think it's pretty clear that various things the BBC says or does are not unbiased. And whilst it's possible to put this down to individual biases amongst whichever production crews involved in some specific output, I don't think you can just rule out the possibility of institutionalised bias and instructions coming from the top.Yes she did and there were how many? She had to ask several times and even said the majority here are disagreeing with what the SNP bloke said.
The SNP are comfortably the largest party in Scotland and yet are vastly unrepresented in the audience there.
They’re not going to change my views by putting Tory Scots or Brexit Scots in the crowd but we’ve seen how media and social media can easily set a fake precedent in politics and convince those on the fence.
It’s dangerous and a so called neutral broadcaster such as the BBC shouldn’t be doing it.
If that is not happening then just at the time Maybot was trying to force her vote through, the way in which the BBC banged on about the importance of us getting a deal (as opposed to no deal) was really quite remarkable. Perhaps no government pressure had been applied to report in a certain way, but it sure as hell looked like it.
My whole point was the fact she said it doesn’t fit the narrative that the BBC is being intentionally biased. It’s probably down to the vetting procedure and non SNP voters being keener to be on in this instance. I can guarantee it will work the other way at some point.
At the end of the day it’s people involved and people have their own preferences and biases and I believe there’s a mass problem across the board at the BBC, not just in politics.
Look at the shite they’ve thrown at City this season? Cheering on whoever we’ve played for the last 2 months.
Ensuring those that support the Tories or Brexit in Scotland get heard is important, giving them the majority of the audience when they’re massively in the minority isn’t fair.
hilts
Well-Known Member
At the end of the day it’s people involved and people have their own preferences and biases and I believe there’s a mass problem across the board at the BBC, not just in politics.
Look at the shite they’ve thrown at City this season? Cheering on whoever we’ve played for the last 2 months.
Ensuring those that support the Tories or Brexit in Scotland get heard is important, giving them the majority of the audience when they’re massively in the minority isn’t fair.
We are going round in circles. Why do you think the BBC want a majority Tory or Brexit audience? Which people do you think influence this? Are you expecting the BBC to do detailed background checks on every audience member? Have you previously complained when the panel has only 1 leaver on it?
We are going round in circles. Why do you think the BBC want a majority Tory or Brexit audience? Which people do you think influence this? Are you expecting the BBC to do detailed background checks on every audience member? Have you previously complained when the panel has only 1 leaver on it?
Yes because you’re not taking in what I’m saying
The BBC is currently employing many people who are Leavers which is perfectly fine as a point by itself but...Those with the power to select audience members are doing so to fit that bias.
No but they already admit they select people based on views “to have a balance”.
I’ve never seen an audience with 1 leaver so I cannot comment but if that happened, I’d certainly not agree with it.
hilts
Well-Known Member
Yes because you’re not taking in what I’m saying
The BBC is currently employing many people who are Leavers which is perfectly fine as a point by itself but...Those with the power to select audience members are doing so to fit that bias.
No but they already admit they select people based on views “to have a balance”.
I’ve never seen an audience with 1 leaver so I cannot comment but if that happened, I’d certainly not agree with it.
Panel members I said most have had 1 or 2 on. Where is this source that the BBC employ many leavers and they are in charge of audience selection.
Panel members I said most have had 1 or 2 on. Where is this source that the BBC employ many leavers and they are in charge of audience selection.
The source is seeing an audience in the largest remain country in the UK having a vast majority of Leavers.
Ok apologies - panellists.
Hasn’t Farage been on the show more than most prominent politicians, 24 times is it? And he’s not even elected.
I’m all for the BBC keeping it 50/50, if they are putting more remainers on, I’m against it.
It’s not been my experience of the BBC though.
hilts
Well-Known Member
The source is seeing an audience in the largest remain country in the UK having a vast majority of Leavers.
Ok apologies - panellists.
Hasn’t Farage been on the show more than most prominent politicians, 24 times is it? And he’s not even elected.
I’m all for the BBC keeping it 50/50, if they are putting more remainers on, I’m against it.
It’s not been my experience of the BBC though.
It’s a bloody virus with you remainers isn’t it.
You - the BBC are currently employing many people who are leavers
What’s your source
You - there seemed to be a lot of remainers in the audience of a bbc programme.
Fuck me it’s bizarre
It’s a bloody virus with you remainers isn’t it.
You - the BBC are currently employing many people who are leavers
What’s your source
You - there seemed to be a lot of remainers in the audience of a bbc programme.
Fuck me it’s bizarre
It’s quite obvious when every fucker they seem to interview is a leaver and audiences are made up of a majority of Leavers, even in highly Remain areas.
Chippy_boy
Well-Known Member
Doesn't suit his narrative that though mate. I'd be careful with your wording as well, or he'll be calling you a liar next.It’s quite obvious when every fucker they seem to interview is a leaver and audiences are made up of a majority of Leavers, even in highly Remain areas.
hilts
Well-Known Member
Doesn't suit his narrative that though mate. I'd be careful with your wording as well, or he'll be calling you a liar next.
Dry your eyes mate this isn’t Facebook.