The Conservative Party

blueinsa said:
Look past brexit for just one second.

This is now about the survival of the Tory party for its membership, grass root support and PLP and they will do whatever it takes to ensure it does survive and if that means a no deal exit from the EU or at least the threat of one to bring the EU back to the table then that is what they will push through.
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They were taking about the survival of the Party on the radio earlier with Sir Nicholas Soames(?) (Churchill’s grandson) - his point is that 14 million people voted Tory at the last election, so they need to look at the country as a whole rather than the relatively small number of members(100’000) who are generally speaking white and getting on a bit - they need to appeal to a broad church and pushing for a no-deal is not the way to do that

We have already threatened no-deal and it didn’t work. That’s why we are in this mess
 
Blue Hefner said:
They were taking about the survival of the Party on the radio earlier with Sir Nicholas Soames(?) (Churchill’s grandson) - his point is that 14 million people voted Tory at the last election, so they need to look at the country as a whole rather than the relatively small number of members(100’000) who are generally speaking white and getting on a bit - they need to appeal to a broad church and pushing for a no-deal is not the way to do that

We have already threatened no-deal and it didn’t work. That’s why we are in this mess
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Soames is a remainer.

He would say that yet he knows his views right now are largely irrelevant as this is now a battle to save the party.

Its why Rudd, probably a shoe in for the PM job at any other time knows she hasnt got a chance as she is seen as pro EU.
 
Blue Hefner said:
They were taking about the survival of the Party on the radio earlier with Sir Nicholas Soames(?) (Churchill’s grandson) - his point is that 14 million people voted Tory at the last election, so they need to look at the country as a whole rather than the relatively small number of members(100’000) who are generally speaking white and getting on a bit - they need to appeal to a broad church and pushing for a no-deal is not the way to do that

We have already threatened no-deal and it didn’t work. That’s why we are in this mess
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No deal was taken off the table by the never ending neck, figuratively and literally, of Yvette Cooper,
who won by one vote, ironically the one cast by a convicted Labour fraudster, who ignored calls to
quit, and went to vote with a tag on her leg.
I've not heard much outrage about dodgy voting when this happened, but it's now irrelevant, just as the screams
about who funds who etc; are, so as many of us said, this decision completely handed all leverage to the EU.
Which is why there is now a Brexit party,
 
Len Rum said:
To all you Tory boys ( and girls) out there, worth remembering that your party has made this country a laughing stock and humiliated it on the international stage. They have trashed and debased our standing globally.
# Tories tearing the country apart again.
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Could be worse Len. Could support Corbyn.
 
Gabriel said:
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means Brexit.
 
Len Rum said:
Two massive deflections there mate leading to another one of your own goals.
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Not at all, my post is entire accurate and explained to you why one has to speculate about how Labour would have performed. That you can’t understand that goes more to your lack of nous.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
No deal was taken off the table by the never ending neck, figuratively and literally, of Yvette Cooper,
who won by one vote, ironically the one cast by a convicted Labour fraudster, who ignored calls to
quit, and went to vote with a tag on her leg.
I've not heard much outrage about dodgy voting when this happened, but it's now irrelevant, just as the screams
about who funds who etc; are, so as many of us said, this decision completely handed all leverage to the EU.
Which is why there is now a Brexit party,
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The Tory’s will never be able to satisfy the lunatic fringe/Brexit Party/Farage. If they want to stay in power they have to 1) hope Corbyn stays in which case they can do what they like or 2) start talking sense and put Mogg, Francois etc back out to the fringe where they belong
 
Gaudion M said:
Notwithstanding the committed brexiteers taking different views on what brexit is. If Gove, Leadsome and Fox can vote for one brexit yet Boris, IDS and JRM describe it as being a vassal state then what exactly was the 51% majority a mandate for....
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At the very least - to Leave the EU, including the SM and CU
 
Gaudion M said:
If Boris wins this on a hard brexit ticket - what mandate does he have to progress on that basis? He will have less than 100k Con member votes for him, almost all from middle / southeast England. A party with no majority. A brexit referendum result from over 3 years ago where he himself described a brexit that involved a free trade deal.

What will get him the role of PM has no change of getting through the HoC and quite rightly. Being the snake he is I suspect he knows this and I do wonder if he might have some sneaky plan. Ultimately a hard brexit v remain 2nd ref would surely kill it off and leave Boris where Cameron thought he would be PM and leader of the Cons with brexit put to bed...
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Fuck - that first bit - would be proper frustrating (for some);-)
 
blueinsa said:
Look past brexit for just one second.

This is now about the survival of the Tory party for its membership, grass root support and PLP and they will do whatever it takes to ensure it does survive and if that means a no deal exit from the EU or at least the threat of one to bring the EU back to the table then that is what they will push through.
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Indeed, if they don’t go for a Leaver the next Tory PM is quite likely to be the last Tory PM in British history for quite some time.
 
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