Matthijs de Ligt

Andrew___K said:
We can't pay him 250k+ when Laporte is on 60k. Ruining the whole wage structure to get a CB just isn't worth it, he no Mbappe.

Meanwhile #mufc have launched a £70m bid for Matthijs de Ligt and have agreed to pay him £350,000 a week plus agent fees [mirror]
If true, they haven't learned from Sanchez disaster at all.
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If he goes there you’d have to seriously question his intellect and ambition.
 
Plain Speaking said:
For his exceptional talent and potential, that's what club's talent scouts are for.
If we don't recognise his talents plenty of other clubs will.
That's why so many clubs are after him.
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Bernardo was an exceptional talent, we made him a sensible offer and told him exactly how he would fit into our plans. He signed, he proved he was worth more than our original offer and we rewarded him with an extension and pay rise within 18 month. Sterling, De Bruyne, Laporte and Ederson all did the same and were rightfully rewarded.

If De Ligt is as good as everyone says, if he’s got the confidence in his own ability to become our first choice centre back and potential leader he knows he will get rewarded in the same way. If he’s not got the balls for the fight or to prove his worth, then he’s not worth what you’re suggesting we pay him from the get go.
 
Plain Speaking said:
I don't know what wages the players are on, I would hope it should be strictly confidential.

I understand we have a wage structure but exceptional talent should be rewarded. I would imagine we will be saving a high wage bill with Kompany leaving, and maybe Ota?
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Defenders are almost never exceptional talent.
 
Bert Trautmann's Parachute said:
Mbappe just came out and said he wants more responsibility (= more money and he's contributing more than Neymar).
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I already answered that.

First of all Mbappé is not contributing more than Neymar. Neymar was injured at the wrong time again but there is no doubt who is the best and main player when both are fit.
On the pitch, they are almost always playing for one another. It is sometimes absurd because there is someone not covered by any opponent and they'll prefer to keep passing to each other.
http://www.sportbible.com/football/...mar-and-mbappe-barely-pass-to-cavani-20181009


Mbappé added he discovered a new role : number 9 position. He is asking for this role in the future because he wants to keep his stats high for Ballon d'Or. Which means again that Cavani is in danger. He wants to shoot more penalty. He is in the third rank after Neymar and Cavani. Since Neymar has been flawless (10/10) in that exercise, he can still dream about taking them from the brazilian.

He wants more money, a more competitive team because he has as much ego as his idol CR7. And as CR7 did, he would like to go to Real at some point too.

So realistically, there is no problem between the two players, just Mbappé asking to be seen as a major player in PSG, almost on parity with Neymar, and with all that entails.
 
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ctid1894 said:
If you’re a 19 year old lad with as much talent as De Ligt has you want one of two things.
1. To be the best player you can possibly be and to win trophies - if so we’re one of very few clubs who can virtually guarantee to provide those things.
2. Money and fame - if so you choose the rag scum.

As a fan, I want to see players who want to improve, want to be the best player they can be and want to win trophies.
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The notion that those 2 things are mutually exclusive is silly. Many made the same arguments about Van Dyke last year.

Frankly, challenging an already established Superteam is actually a greater challenge and greater accomplishment if achieved.

If I were a young talented player, I'd rather join the challenging team to try to topple the Superteam, than join the Superteam. I know most kids don't think like this, but they should.
 
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Solskjær basically shares the philosophy of Pep and Klopp.
I think the next season of Manchester United is expected to be very different.
In that respect, De Ligt's destination could be MU.
If we want him, we have to consider this possibility.
 
Dax777 said:
The notion that those 2 things are mutually exclusive is silly. Many made the same arguments about Van Dyke last year.

Frankly, challenging an already established Superteam is actually a greater challenge and greater accomplishment if achieved.

If I were a young talented player, I'd rather join the challenging team to try to topple the Superteam, than join the Superteam. I know most kids don't think like this, but they should.
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And if Van Dijk had joined us he would be sat at home with 3/5 winners medals around his neck, he made the wrong decision. Instead he got a “Player of the Year” award, just because he choose the media favourites and (so called) fame of Liverpool.

Fighting your way into and keeping your place in a “superteam” is a far greater challenge and accomplishment.
 
ctid1894 said:
And if Van Dijk had joined us he would be sat at home with 3/5 winners medals around his neck, he made the wrong decision. Instead he got a “Player of the Year” award, just because he choose the media favourites and (so called) fame of Liverpool.

Fighting your way into and keeping your place in a “superteam” is a far greater challenge and accomplishment.
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I guess we'd have to agree to disagree.

Leading your own team to attempt to dethrone the Champions is a far greater accomplishment than joining the winners. That's easy.

See, we won without him. So clearly he isn't critical to our success. But if he ever wins the league ( and he very well might win the Champions League this year), it will be a more rewarding, and satisfying victory. And he'd have been critical to that victory.

I mean, anyone can see this
 
I really don’t get all the hype. His agent is more than enough reason to avoid like the plague. He’ll end up at Barcelona with his friend having used a desperate United to negotiate a higher remuneration.

De Jong was the player we really needed. De Ligt would be more trouble than he’s worth.
 
Many Blues have said on the Kompany thread that we will miss his leadership qualities as much or more than his footballing contributions.
This kid is obviously a natural leader and to captain such a good team at his age is incredible, so we should absolutely be trying to get him in. We have to trust Txiki and co to make sure that anyone who joins buys in to what we’re doing and doesn’t think they are bigger than the club. Let’s face it, they have assembled the best squad in the league so far......
 
Dax777 said:
Defenders are almost never exceptional talent.
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I was looking through the old posts on the De Ligt Thread, this is one from an Ajax fan in 2017:
Ruzzles said:
De Ligt is a Mbappe level talent he has everything and the most impressive part of it all is his mentality and his maturity at the age of 17 (like Foden) he will most likely become one of if not the best defender in the world when he keeps developing like he has in his Ajax career in the youth teams and the first team
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I accept your quote about defenders rarely being exceptional, but IMO he's a rare and exceptional breaker of that rule ;)

(How many times do you get a defender being selected as "player of a tournament"?)
 
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hammocity said:
Very good player but Llorente bullied him in the air, he will go to the rags for €100m but we will still be blamed for inflating the transfer market.
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We will be blamed for inflating the market, if we pay the silly money for Maguire being bandied about. For what most fans would consider an inferior player ;)
 
People are fucking mad if they think we should start paying a 19 year old more than 350k a week.

Where the fuck do you go from there? How much should De Bruyne be paid? Sterling? Ederson?

We have missed out on some targets sure, but the strength and character in our team is better than any one else in the league. And that's not a brag, that's a fact, You dont get to almost 200 points in two seasons by buying over-priced stars and pay them whatever they and their agent demand.
 
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