The Beeb has a long history of bias in favour of the EU. Long before Brexit was an issue, they treated eurosceptics as loonies. They even admitted it under pressure.
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Blue Hefner
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could a similar version of the Schengen Agreement apply as it does with switzerland
Google ‘Switzerland’ and ‘EU’ and ‘border’ images and see if you think that sort of infrastructure is appropriate to be put along circa 100 different border crossing points
The trouble is, they would categorise May and Corbyn as "Remainers". Plus if they put a lot more "long term Leavers" on, you end up with more of Mark Francois.
(a) Of course - but is that my good deal, your good deal, or Farage's good deal (be like Norway), or the official Vote Leave good deal (a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border)?You just keep (deliberately I would guess) missing the point.
To keep it simple for you and on the assumption for a moment that we are leaving:
a) we should all wish to leave with a good deal - why would anyone with sense choose no-deal over a good deal?
b) with regard to a 'no-deal' the strength of this option depends on how viable it is and the extent to which it becomes a viable depends on how it has been prepared for. In all circumstances no-deal planning and preparations should have commenced immediately and been accelerated in reaction to any negotiating difficulties. This is just Janet and John negotiating stuff and the lack of it having not (effectively) started until 2018 in unforgivable incompetence of government - I expect that the inability for Remainers to not understand this simple fact is generally just wilful denial.
So all your comments about who said what about a deal etc. during the campaign is just fluffy and irrelevant bollocks which you or course know. Fuck - at least I hope that you know and are just being disingenuous, rather than......
c) no-deal should have always been seen, planned for and managed as a contingency option - as it is not possible to guarantee a successful outcomes from a negotiation. The criteria for what would lead to it being invoked should have been established early and managed/developed throughout. This is simply Janet and John stuff with regard to managing a major programme.
(b) I thought Janet and John assumed that the German carmakers would see us right.
(c) Why waste billions preparing for not doing something that would be the easiest deal in history? (Remarkably, that was Liam Fox over a year after the referendum.)
(d) If the planning for a no-deal had been done before the referendum - and been part of the campaign so people knew what it entailed - Leave would not have won (well, they might, because it would have been called Project Fear).
bluethrunthru
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Bad night for Labour but Mayday's efforts ....
Ok - so not because he is shamelessly biased and it shows in how he carries out the interviewsmaybe because Raab was talking bollocks that justified being challenged? Maybe because Marr felt some points Raab was making needed to be cross examined seeing as of the 3 he is the only one effectively standing to run the country in a matter of weeks? Leave side have a proper complex about the media - insecurity is rife.
Sorry - your blinkedness just does not allow you to see Janet and John stuff - crack on with your nonsense(a) Of course - but is that my good deal, your good deal, or Farage's good deal (be like Norway), or the official Vote Leave good deal (a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border)?
(b) I thought Janet and John assumed that the German carmakers would see us right.
(c) Why waste billions preparing for not doing something that would be the easiest deal in history? (Remarkably, that was Liam Fox over a year after the referendum.)
(d) If the planning for a no-deal had been done before the referendum - and been part of the campaign so people knew what it entailed - Leave would not have won (well, they might, because it would have been called Project Fear).
bluethrunthru
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Ok - so not because he is shamelessly biased and it shows in how he carries out the interviews
No. I wasn't suggesting he was biased I was offering suggestions as to why you may have thought he was. However clearly anybody who holds a different view to yours is either untrustworthy or incapable of showing professionalism. To question those who's word you agree with is not bias.....its a journalist doing their job.
Its understandable because anyone from the Leave side assumes anyone who questions their view to be biased/a traitor/ untrustworthy / a liar - just pick the one you want really
While part of me is enjoying seeing the Tories in almost terminal decline, I'd rather not see them collapse. As we are already seeing the void is being filled by something much worse.
The end of the Weimar Republic has much to teach us.
The end of the Weimar Republic has much to teach us.
bluethrunthru
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On course to be their worst result since 1832...............yet being portrayed as a disaster for Labour?
Can I be the first to applaud the efforts of Comrade Mayday.............sterling work that has had results beyond my dreams.....
Can I be the first to applaud the efforts of Comrade Mayday.............sterling work that has had results beyond my dreams.....
Ifwecouldjust.......
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No , because if the people who were put in charge of implementing it acted as instructed there wouldn't be an issue would there!? Instead many are doing all they can to thwart Brexit and they are succeeding. Ever thought of that??
Exactly which Brexit were they instructed to implement ? .... the one you voted for or the one my mum voted for ?
Ifwecouldjust.......
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McVey doesn't care. She's a proven liar with little regard for any consequences. She will say anything, and I mean anything, to get where she wants to be. She's the worst kind of politician.
Ticks all the boxes for a Conservative party leader then .........
Ifwecouldjust.......
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could a similar version of the Schengen Agreement apply as it does with switzerland
You need to visit the Swiss border..... Commercial transport check points are closed at the weekend. Passenger traffic sits in queues which are miles long.
PragueBlue
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On course to be their worst result since 1832...............yet being portrayed as a disaster for Labour?
Can I be the first to applaud the efforts of Comrade Mayday.............sterling work that has had results beyond my dreams.....
Disaster for both I'd say.
Neville Kneville
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McVey talking bollocks here too - her invisible border uses technology that already exists yet none of them seem to be able to explain how it works and exactly what technology we would be dealing with. The idea that we can set it all up by 31st Oct is deranged and it doesn't explain how if customs checks are done away from the border smuggling will be stopped - same with illegals - ROI will become the main gateway into the UK for illegal immigrants. And finally what she doesn't admit - to trade on WTO rules the WTO will need to be satisfied her invisible border is in place and fit for purpose because as part of our taking back control the WTO will need to monitor it too so they are sure we comply.
They know it won't work but don't care what kind of shit happens, it doesn't really matter to them if there is chaos & it takes 30 years to sort out, so long as we head down their path.
The chaos won't make any difference to them & I suspect won't affect a lot of their voters either.
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The one we were told repeatedly we would get if we voted to leave during the campaign via Junker, Cameron and the leave side. No single market, no customs union, end of free movement of people. You seem to have convieniently forgotten like so many remain voters.Exactly which Brexit were they instructed to implement ? .... the one you voted for or the one my mum voted for ?
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Neville Kneville
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The one we were told repeatedly we would get if we voted to leave during the campaign via Junker, Cameron and the leave side. No single market, no customs union, end of free movement of people. You seem to have convieniently forgotten like so many remain voters.
Aren't you forgetting 'free access to the single market' & 'Norway, Norway, Norway' ?
bluethrunthru
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Disaster for both I'd say.
I'd say sub 10% of the vote for a party in power is more than mid term blues though
PragueBlue
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I'd say sub 10% of the vote for a party in power is more than mid term blues though
indeed it is. The main opposition party should be dominating though and it isn't, which must be a worry for Labour. I think both are going to need to adjust their Brexit position to have any real chance of gaining that support back. I suspect the Tories will go full on Brexit and Labour will start to back a 2nd referendum. That could be a good thing for the electorate to really know what each party stands for. Tories = Brexit, Liberals = remain and Labour = 2nd referendum.
I look at the leadership candidates and it is like something from deliverance
How much inbreeding do these people do. It has obviously not only affected their looks but they come across dumb also.
What is as frightening is the population here now does not really seem to care. The incompetence is just allowed.
How much inbreeding do these people do. It has obviously not only affected their looks but they come across dumb also.
What is as frightening is the population here now does not really seem to care. The incompetence is just allowed.