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Henkeman said:
Hmm, the problem is that Margaret Hodge encouraged voting against Labour, but expelling her today might not go down well....

Still, good spin, they've managed to change the headlines!
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Not for the better. This looks bad on Labour and the Corbyn clique. If they had ignored him or got round to it in a couple of weeks time then they don't look so desperate.
 
Campbell sacking is a diversion from Corbyn and McLusky's absurd line on elections and second referendum being called out.
 
Henkeman said:


Lol, from the former compliance officer of the Labour Party.
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Read his twitter feed, not entirely unbiased, so he is stating his intepretation of the rule in this instance, I have already stated after speaking to labour chairs I had to leave the party because I decided to go green as I was told that I would be expelled if it came to light, that was in blairs time, rule has always been there, but can be twisted for a narative.
 
what happens though if the enquiry finds that they are not guilty - that a lot of their accusers jumped on a band wagon and exacerbated claims? It will be bad for Labour or their accusers - will Baroness Warsi be asking the Equality and Human Rights Commission to launch an investigation into alleged Tory Islamaphobia? For that matter when one looks at the speeches made by Batten and past campaigns by Farage quite a few parties and leaders could have a case to answer.......we are in interesting times.
 
Henkeman said:
They've had a cracking morning. Now they've expelled Alastair Campbell from the party.

Still, if you add up all the people who didn't write to him expelling him, it's much greater than the number who did, so in reality the non-expellers have won.
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He's re united with Teflon Tony putting his spin on the results, he's Blairs version of comical Ali
 
Considering he wrote the document that took us to war possibly led to a man being killed (sorry commiting suicide)and helped fuck up the middle east more while his best pal made millions from the mess as a "special envoy", it has took far too long to expell the cùnt in my opinion.
 
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They didn’t get a hold of the anti-Semitism within the party and left an utterly incompetent unintelligent buffoon in charge for too long.

Momentum are no better than the thugs on the extreme right and have naturally put off a lot of centrist voters by accusing anyone who disagrees with them “Blairites”

As incompetent an comical as Corbyn is, he’s simply a frontman, the real danger is McDonnell who is the puppet master and genuinely sinister. If he ever seizes power it could get very, very nasty.
 
brooklandsblue said:
They didn’t get a hold of the anti-Semitism within the party and left an utterly incompetent unintelligent buffoon in charge for too long.

Momentum are no better than the thugs on the extreme right and have naturally put off a lot of centrist voters by accusing anyone who disagrees with them “Blairites”

As incompetent an comical as Corbyn is, he’s simply a frontman, the real danger is McDonnell who is the puppet master and genuinely sinister. If he ever seizes power it could get very, very nasty.
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Who woke you up?
 
Most people hold political views that are based on their life experience, geographical location, attitudes of parents and their relationships with their parents, close friends and there own personal psychological traits.

Which is why we have such diverse opinion both on here and at large.

However I think it would be useful to have classes in political philosophy so people could work out if they were Locke Hobbs or Rousseau, Marx or Adam Smith, Nozek or Rawls. At the very least it wouñld probably make one more tolerant of people with different views.
 
robbieh said:
Most people hold political views that are based on their life experience, geographical location, attitudes of parents and their relationships with their parents, close friends and there own personal psychological traits.

Which is why we have such diverse opinion both on here and at large.

However I think it would be useful to have classes in political philosophy so people could work out if they were Locke Hobbs or Rousseau, Marx or Adam Smith, Nozek or Rawls. At the very least it wouñld probably make one more tolerant of people with different views.
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Individual psychology traits are such a huge aspect of it I feel.

The other areas you’ve described are important but what I’ve just mentioned in your post is most important to culminating one’s political view.
 
Ban-jani said:
Individual psychology traits are such a huge aspect of it I feel.

The other areas you’ve described are important but what I’ve just mentioned in your post is most important to culminating one’s political view.
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Can't disagree with you.
 
robbieh said:
Can't disagree with you.
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I say this as I’ve worked alongside and known staunch Thatcherite Tories and Socialists, both mates and both from the same boring towns, both earning similar incomes etc.

Not just once but a few times people with so much similarity to their backgrounds and yet tribally very different and at odds with one another.
 
Since the 1979 election we have had 7 prime ministers none of whom could in anyway be described as left of centre. During this time inequality has reached Victorian proportions which of course was the raison detre of the 5 Tory PMs. The two Labour leaders were in thrall to finance so didn't correct the errors of Thatcher et al.
So as the country seems to be in some sort of existential crisis forgive me if I don't jump on the anti Corbyn bandwagon.
 
Ban-jani said:
I say this as I’ve worked alongside and known staunch Thatcherite Tories and Socialists, both mates and both from the same boring towns, both earning similar incomes etc.

Not just once but a few times people with so much similarity to their backgrounds and yet tribally very different and at odds with one another.
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An interesting observation. Let's take examples from our Parliament . Cameron and Benn. One educated at Eton, the other Westminster.
But their political views totally different.
 
robbieh said:
Since the 1979 election we have had 7 prime ministers none of whom could in anyway be described as left of centre. During this time inequality has reached Victorian proportions which of course was the raison detre of the 5 Tory PMs. The two Labour leaders were in thrall to finance so didn't correct the errors of Thatcher et al.
So as the country seems to be in some sort of existential crisis forgive me if I don't jump on the anti Corbyn bandwagon.
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I'm not saying this countries entirely fair and we never really had a left wing government but come on Victorian proportions do me a favour.
 
I was behind labour for a while now. But now not so sure. Corbyn needs to be more assertive. His stance on Brexit is still confusing. Want it or not. I think he's playing into what the voters want. He should stick to his guns and apply what he believes is good for the country.
 
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