I suppose misleading is a large term extending all the way from slight exaggeration to outright lies. See the Chilcot report for example.I agree. If my guess is right, UEFA will find us guilty of misleading, but, logically, if what was actually done was ok, this is UEFA stretching a point.. But they are under pressure from the cartel..
It is, all clubs sign up to provide full information. They’re inferring we haven’t.A charge that isn't in the rules?
Fair enough.It is, all clubs sign up to provide full information. They’re inferring we haven’t.
Point3- surely ADEC putting money into the state-run airline is as perfectly legitimate as any government subsidising a struggling nationalised entity,Here's what I think happened. No direct evidence, just my guess reading between the lines.
1. Etihad was making big losses and got worried that they could not fulfil the terms of the sponsorship.
2 They discussed it with City, setting off City execs brainstorming what could be done. Stupidly those execs committed some of the discussions to email. We were foolish to consider gaming the rules and bonkers to write it down.
3 Khaldoon stepped in, had a word with his mates on AD Executive Council.
ADEC then bunged Etihad to cover the losses and give them enough to fulfil their obligations.
4 Etihad then
paid us "wholly from their own resources "
5 The timing of 3 above vis a vis Uefa asking us questions may be an issue. We may have winged it a bit in anticipation of Etihad getting the bung.
6 We, therefore did not break the rules.
7 Will 5 above sustain a charge of misleading UEFA .?
Probably.......
And stop with this shite as well. UEFA are governed by Swiss law which allows evidence that has been obtained illegally if in the public interest.
Your much repeated “fruit of the poisoned tree” bollocks is American and not remotely relevant in this instance. How many people have to repeat this to you before you start to understand it?
Der Spiegel started they would pass the material over to the relevant bodies not that it matters.You have a point re the difference in Swiss Law and US Law but as I understand it UEFA don't actually have the evidence - however obtained.... just third party knowledge of it. I'm not sure under any legal system that's good grounds to prosecute anybody.
Maybe they do have the emails but they’re just misleading us that they don’t.You have a point re the difference in Swiss Law and US Law but as I understand it UEFA don't actually have the evidence - however obtained.... just third party knowledge of it. I'm not sure under any legal system that's good grounds to prosecute anybody.
Yes, perfectly legit.Point3- surely ADEC putting money into the state-run airline is as perfectly legitimate as any government subsidising a struggling nationalised entity,
and it is no concern of uefa what that entity does with its money.
Earlier in the thread, I asked if City had told DerSpeigel to hand back the stolen propertyIt is about time that the board of Man. City started to get tough with Der Speigel. The way to do it is to say that unless they are willing to pay us a set amount of money for damages, by the end of June, we will be taking them to court and suing them for theft, and they have also got to provided us with the e-mail address of those that broke into our computers. If they fail to do this then issue the full board of Der Speigel with a law suit looking for an estimated damages of £5 million +.
It is time to stop pussy footing around and get tough, maybe then, they know we mean business. By doing this it just may stop other papers from trying to do something similar in their papers.
As for what you say ganganvince, so they ban us. Just imagine how much money they would have to pay out, not only for their own lawyers, but ours because they would most certainly lose their case. There is not a court in any country would allow you to use and thing that is stolen in a court of law for evidence. When going to court everything that is given in evidence has to be totally above board, which is something that UEFA can't do. So they would lose their case before it even got going.
That's the thing, City don't know for sure what's in those emails they don't even know if they're real it could be a pile of shite made up by the hacker, so by asking for them back they straight away legitimise and acknowledge the emails are theirsEarlier in the thread, I asked if City had told DerSpeigel to hand back the stolen property
Someone replied by saying if City did, then they are telling the world that the documents are genuine and City haven't ever confirmed that they are
It is about time that the board of Man. City started to get tough with Der Speigel. The way to do it is to say that unless they are willing to pay us a set amount of money for damages, by the end of June, we will be taking them to court and suing them for theft, and they have also got to provided us with the e-mail address of those that broke into our computers. If they fail to do this then issue the full board of Der Speigel with a law suit looking for an estimated damages of £5 million +.
It is time to stop pussy footing around and get tough, maybe then, they know we mean business. By doing this it just may stop other papers from trying to do something similar in their papers.
As for what you say ganganvince, so they ban us. Just imagine how much money they would have to pay out, not only for their own lawyers, but ours because they would most certainly lose their case. There is not a court in any country would allow you to use and thing that is stolen in a court of law for evidence. When going to court everything that is given in evidence has to be totally above board, which is something that UEFA can't do. So they would lose their case before it even got going.
It is about time that the board of Man. City started to get tough with Der Speigel. The way to do it is to say that unless they are willing to pay us a set amount of money for damages, by the end of June, we will be taking them to court and suing them for theft, and they have also got to provided us with the e-mail address of those that broke into our computers. If they fail to do this then issue the full board of Der Speigel with a law suit looking for an estimated damages of £5 million +.
It is time to stop pussy footing around and get tough, maybe then, they know we mean business. By doing this it just may stop other papers from trying to do something similar in their papers.
As for what you say ganganvince, so they ban us. Just imagine how much money they would have to pay out, not only for their own lawyers, but ours because they would most certainly lose their case. There is not a court in any country would allow you to use and thing that is stolen in a court of law for evidence. When going to court everything that is given in evidence has to be totally above board, which is something that UEFA can't do. So they would lose their case before it even got going.
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.
Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.
There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors
It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.
Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.
There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors
It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.
Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.
There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors
It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.
Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.
There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors
It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.