Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

gooner6729 said:
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.

Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.

There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors

It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
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gooner6729 said:
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.

Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.

There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors

It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
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No , the club should supply rui pinto with a years supply of the daily mail to his cell in Portugal.
 
funny thing is after 10 years of investment by our owners, they (uefa) think we are still a myth and don't have the founds and they will leave us in a mess ????

how long can this crap go on about manchester city owners ?? and why bother with FFP because now manchester city spend what they earn and show a profit and yearly statements on revenue is up and last season was £500million and i can see it being a big jump this season with the silverware we won and tv money ???

so uefa and FFP are clutching at straws and if they think FFP will ever be used on manchester city again then think again ?? this is why the old email leak has popped up and uefa think its got a case ??? city are going to fight any punishment if uefa come up with something from 2014 because we was dealt a fine and squad reduction and the case was over, like it or not uefa can not bring anything up after the case was closed and dusted

forget uefa and its FFP ?? its got nothing to do with manchester city anymore we are in the clear and the others will have to think of something else, because manchester city are the best run football club in europe and debt free, maybe a new debt only rule for clubs that can play in the champions league and you need to have over £500 millionin debt
 
gooner6729 said:
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state attempts to shut down a prestigious news publication. The biggest can of worms ever.

Imagine the fallout from that. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this entire case doing that would be tantamount to PR suicide.

There would be a global outcry about the " free press being bullied by Arab despots". That would be the last thing the Sheikh wants. If you think Manchester City have had a rough ride in the media to date this would make things 10 x worse. The worse the media coverage the less attractive the club is to non UAE sponsors

It would most likely also have diplomatic consequences for Abu Dhabi. No way would the German government or the EU accept such an "attack" on their media.
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Do you know of such a club ? City are owned by one man, check with companies house if you like.

Idiot.
 
Had an interesting chat with my 17 year old nephew (arsenal fan) about what’s going on.
He asked me what exactly we were being investigated for because he couldn’t make sense of the media coverage.
I explained how they moved the goalposts to screw us over, how we are a self-sustaining profit-making organisation now, how there are two former ceo’s of rival clubs sitting in judgement of us at uefa, what the difference is between the various types of sponsorship deal, and how we have conformed to every bent rule they have thrown at us.
He was a bit surprised by all this, and asked in all innocence ‘ why on earth is all this not reported in the media’?
 
Re Gooner6729 post: I can see why some people are exasperated with what he has said - and I haven't taken any particular notice of his posts so maybe there's a backstory - but I don't get the vitriol.
The basic premise of his point is a good one; if City are seen to attack a media outlet (whether we do or that's just how it's reported) then there could be negative consequences. Basically it could be used against us.
I read his post with that slant in mind and didn't see too much wrong with it. E.g. the media portray us as owned by a state, so that is how the story will run.
I get what he means, and there is something to it, even though I don't necessarily agree.
 
So it is alright to peddle a story based on lies,but not for fans to point out the truth.
This is what got us into this situation 5 years ago.
We had the same problem with Raheem until that myth was nailed.
The media outlets will not stop printing stuff about us until we stand up and stop it ,either legally or through people standing up to them.
 
Chappie said:
So it is alright to peddle a story based on lies,but not for fans to point out the truth.
This is what got us into this situation 5 years ago.
We had the same problem with Raheem until that myth was nailed.
The media outlets will not stop printing stuff about us until we stand up and stop it ,either legally or through people standing up to them.
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Yep but the press are already subtly trying to say City fans have been "radicalised by arabs"(weaponised)... rather than just making our own minds up and calling out bullshit when we see it. City fans are getting a revealing look at the dark side of the press/media world that's for sure.
 
keith's curle said:
Re Gooner6729 post: I can see why some people are exasperated with what he has said - and I haven't taken any particular notice of his posts so maybe there's a backstory - but I don't get the vitriol.
The basic premise of his point is a good one; if City are seen to attack a media outlet (whether we do or that's just how it's reported) then there could be negative consequences. Basically it could be used against us.
I read his post with that slant in mind and didn't see too much wrong with it. E.g. the media portray us as owned by a state, so that is how the story will run.
I get what he means, and there is something to it, even though I don't necessarily agree.
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I read it that way too, it was how the press would tell it not necessarily what he believes. People are tired of having to correct that lie spun in the press, so perhaps he should have made it clear he knows the difference.

I don't agree with his main point either though. The media have been so bad for so long that they have shot themselves in the foot by giving us nothing to lose. More bad press?... it's all we've gotten in this for a couples of years now. If we have a case to sue them for damages and leave our mark we should do it because that would be justice for the clear and organised attack. It will have an effect on the wider press whether they like it or not, subconsciously they will think harder about the accuracy of what they are writing(they don't care one bit at present because there are no consequences), the rest of them can try and spin that to be bad thing all they like, it's not... it's exactly the right outcome(the fairest, most just one).
 
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keith's curle said:
Re Gooner6729 post: I can see why some people are exasperated with what he has said - and I haven't taken any particular notice of his posts so maybe there's a backstory - but I don't get the vitriol.
The basic premise of his point is a good one; if City are seen to attack a media outlet (whether we do or that's just how it's reported) then there could be negative consequences. Basically it could be used against us.
I read his post with that slant in mind and didn't see too much wrong with it. E.g. the media portray us as owned by a state, so that is how the story will run.
I get what he means, and there is something to it, even though I don't necessarily agree.
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We should have exactly the same rights as everyone else. And that includes taking legal action against media organisations if they overstep the boundaries.
 
Metalartin said:
Yep but the press are already subtly trying to say City fans have been "radicalised by arabs"(weaponised)... rather than just making our own minds up and calling out bullshit when we see it. City fans are getting a revealing look at the dark side of the press/media world that's for sure.
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City fans have already exposed 4 hacks for peddling bullshit on social media
They certainly are alot quieter of late.
We can either try and educate or sit back and listen to the bullshit.
 
keith's curle said:
Re Gooner6729 post: I can see why some people are exasperated with what he has said - and I haven't taken any particular notice of his posts so maybe there's a backstory - but I don't get the vitriol.
The basic premise of his point is a good one; if City are seen to attack a media outlet (whether we do or that's just how it's reported) then there could be negative consequences. Basically it could be used against us.
I read his post with that slant in mind and didn't see too much wrong with it. E.g. the media portray us as owned by a state, so that is how the story will run.
I get what he means, and there is something to it, even though I don't necessarily agree.
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We are exasperated because it’s not based on facts.
And as we know, if it’s not based on facts it’s a totally different conversation.
 
gooner6729 said:
Brilliant. Football club owned by a non democratic Middle Eastern state
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City are not owned by a state. They are owned by ADUG which is a private equity company owned by Sheikh Mansour. Arsenal, on the other hand, are happy to continue their long standing sponsorship, from which they've taken the thick end of a billion dollars, with the state owned airline owned (as you would have it) by a non democratic Middle East state. Somebody open a window. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.
 
keith's curle said:
Re Gooner6729 post: I can see why some people are exasperated with what he has said - and I haven't taken any particular notice of his posts so maybe there's a backstory - but I don't get the vitriol.
The basic premise of his point is a good one; if City are seen to attack a media outlet (whether we do or that's just how it's reported) then there could be negative consequences. Basically it could be used against us.
I read his post with that slant in mind and didn't see too much wrong with it. E.g. the media portray us as owned by a state, so that is how the story will run.
I get what he means, and there is something to it, even though I don't necessarily agree.
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That's how I read it too.
There are other factors, but it would definitely get used as a stick to beat us with.
 
Skip, what I meant by giving them back to us is that, we then can prove once and for all to the paper that they are ours or not. So therefore if the e-mails are not ours, they will not only have to print a very sincere apology, but will also have to go to UEFA and say that there is nothing at all in the story. This because the e-mails we have received have been proved to be phony.

I have watched enough crime shows to now know that they can find out if those hacked e-mails are ours or not.
 
Rather than the media or other clubs having a pop at City who in all honesty are not shafting fans ........They should go after owners who are screwing clubs over left right and centre. .........Doesn't make sense at all but we all know it's down Europe's elite that cannot bear the thought of not being at the top table ..........
 
KS55 said:
Here's what I think happened. No direct evidence, just my guess reading between the lines.
1. Etihad was making big losses and got worried that they could not fulfil the terms of the sponsorship.
2 They discussed it with City, setting off City execs brainstorming what could be done. Stupidly those execs committed some of the discussions to email. We were foolish to consider gaming the rules and bonkers to write it down.
3 Khaldoon stepped in, had a word with his mates on AD Executive Council.
ADEC then bunged Etihad to cover the losses and give them enough to fulfil their obligations.
4 Etihad then
paid us "wholly from their own resources "
5 The timing of 3 above vis a vis Uefa asking us questions may be an issue. We may have winged it a bit in anticipation of Etihad getting the bung.
6 We, therefore did not break the rules.
7 Will 5 above sustain a charge of misleading UEFA .?
Probably.......
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But didn't we already accept that we had mislead them and were found guilty?
Infantino was in charge of settling with City, and between us and them agreed the £50m fine and squad reduction for the Champions League.
This isn't a new case, what they are trying to say is that with these emails, we mislead them more than we were letting on.
To me, you mislead, you mislead, doesn't matter how much.
We accepted guilt and served the penalty.

They are just after us. You just have to look at this VAR situation with how we went out this year, never mind previous years
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm not sure if I can be arsed or have the time to check and back this up, but these articles only seemed to go to print when we were topping the table in the autumn and then after xmas. When we were seven points behind the dippers it was all very quiet. Just like all the other negative press since the FA Cup final - if we'd won nothing and finished sixth there would be no complaints if we'd spent twice as much and iccle city would still be everyones second team with Guardiola having been taught a lesson that this is the hardest/bestest league in the world.
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It probably won't rear it's head again until 2 days before the charity shield, or the day we sign De Ligt
 
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