UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[waspish]

So does this apply to all owners or just ‘arab’ ones?

Just manchester City if it ever comes in.

 

[dickie davies]

So does this apply to all owners or just ‘arab’ ones?

Doesn't matter to us as we're in the top six revenue generators through TV, sponsorship and prize money

 

[chaddblue]

Yep your right it will be if an owner gives his club 300m for players he has to give 300m into a fund that will be distributed to all the other champs league clubs! They are still trying to find a way to slow new owners and rich owners down! Uefa is corrupt t fcuk cheating barstools.

That sounds like it could be illegal to me. If they seriously suggest bringing in that rule, it should be challenged

 

[the talisman]

By the same logic. We boo UEFA because of how they treat us and exclude us.
Should we stop booing to get to a final.
No.
Principles, is the argument we hear on here all the time.
Well no we weren’t part of the problem but do we want to become part of it. Because this discrimination will go on until we are on the inside with them.......
Or the whole thing is brought down.

What’s it got to do with booing the anthem?
There is no need for us to go on a legal crusade to bring down FFP when it can’t be used against us any more (once this current issue has been sorted one way or another).
Why should we spend time, money and energy to help clubs who happily stood by, supported FFP and watched us get shafted?
We should and will channel our resources into our own club....
And again, how can you say we would be part of the problem when we are one of the few big clubs who voted against it? We didn’t create this problem and it shouldn’t be up to us to fix it.

 

[paulchapo]

This reminds me of when the ref went to look at the Llorente handball on the var screen in the quarter final against Spurs. Although he was taking an age we all knew what the outcome would be. Same here.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Yep your right it will be if an owner gives his club 300m for players he has to give 300m into a fund that will be distributed to all the other champs league clubs! They are still trying to find a way to slow new owners and rich owners down! Uefa is corrupt t fcuk cheating barstools.

Not sure this would be particularly effective tbh.

Let’s say PSG go out and the owner subsidises 100m of transfers in the summer-

The owner would have to put a further 100m into the kitty which I imagine would be divvied up between the 32 teams in the competition - about 3 million per club. Hardly going to ‘assist’ those clubs greatly is it? Hardly enough to ‘stop’ an owner splurging if he wants to / can afford to.

Yes the owner would have to pay out a further 100m, but let’s have it right if he’s happy to splash 100m on shiny new toys and that’s the level of wealth we’re dealing with, he’s hardly going to shit himself about another 100m is he?

Wouldn’t it also be a way of ‘bypassing’ FFP rules as effectively the subsidised buying would be being done ‘outside of’ FFP?

 

[mcs]

That sounds like it could be illegal to me. If they seriously suggest bringing in that rule, it should be challenged

I think a similar arrangement exists in one of the American sports - MLB or NBA perhaps?

Its a stupid idea, and as Stoned Rose said can easily allow bypassing of FFP. But we all know UEFA and its love of stupid ideas, so its probably a winner in their eyes...

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

There can be no more "pinches"
It gets sorted this time or they will come back again in 5 years time,with something else

Precisely.

 

[BosnianBlue]

By the same logic. We boo UEFA because of how they treat us and exclude us.
Should we stop booing to get to a final.
No.
Principles, is the argument we hear on here all the time.
Well no we weren’t part of the problem but do we want to become part of it. Because this discrimination will go on until we are on the inside with them.......
Or the whole thing is brought down.

I can understand the owners not hating FFP after we finally pass through it, but fans should never do it. I certainly won't. It was ****ish thing to stop us being competition to cartel, it will be ****ish thing to stop someone else competing with us.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

What’s it got to do with booing the anthem?
There is no need for us to go on a legal crusade to bring down FFP when it can’t be used against us any more (once this current issue has been sorted one way or another).
Why should we spend time, money and energy to help clubs who happily stood by, supported FFP and watched us get shafted?
We should and will channel our resources into our own club....
And again, how can you say we would be part of the problem when we are one of the few big clubs who voted against it? We didn’t create this problem and it shouldn’t be up to us to fix it.

I’m not suggesting it is up to us to fix it. And I never said we would or should take that task on, on our own.
I do however agree with those that are saying that if we compromise now, it will be something else in a couple of years.

FWIW I don’t believe we are getting on the inside anytime soon. I think it will take a major showdown.
There is no appeasing the ECA which is the tail that’s wagging the dog that UEFA is.
I don’t think it’s a case of taking on UEFA as much as it is breaking their will to pander to the old G14.

Booing the anthem was just used as an analogy for keeping our principles.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I can understand the owners not hating FFP after we finally pass through it, but fans should never do it. I certainly won't. It was ****ish thing to stop us being competition to cartel, it will be ****ish thing to stop someone else competing with us.

I agree. The club might not.

 

[the talisman]

I’m not suggesting it is up to us to fix it. And I never said we would or should take that task on, on our own.
I do however agree with those that are saying that if we compromise now, it will be something else in a couple of years.

FWIW I don’t believe we are getting on the inside anytime soon. I think it will take a major showdown.
There is no appeasing the ECA which is the tail that’s wagging the dog that UEFA is.
I don’t think it’s a case of taking on UEFA as much as it is breaking their will to pander to the old G14.

Booing the anthem was just used as an analogy for keeping our principles.

Can’t disagree with any of that, I absolutely agree that we shouldn’t compromise this time. By the sounds of Khaldoon’s comments there will be no more “pinches”.
I just want us to clear our name and get on with playing football.

 

[goalmole]

I can understand the owners not hating FFP after we finally pass through it, but fans should never do it. I certainly won't. It was ****ish thing to stop us being competition to cartel, it will be ****ish thing to stop someone else competing with us.

That's something I don't understand. Why should we fight UEFA to enable other clubs to compete with us when those same other clubs are happy to stay silent when we are blatantly being victimised.
I, like you, think FFP is wrong, but we have been hung out to dry by every other club without so much as a whimper of support as a matter of principle. In fact they have all been happy to see us being hounded by UEFA as a counter to our financial power.
So when we get through this it's a fuck'em all from me. They can fight their own fucking battles just like we are fighting ours.

 

[BosnianBlue]

That's something I don't understand. Why should we fight UEFA to enable other clubs to compete with us when those same other clubs are happy to stay silent when we are blatantly being victimised.
I, like you, think FFP is wrong, but we have been hung out to dry by every other club without so much as a whimper of support as a matter of principle. In fact they have all been happy to see us being hounded by UEFA as a counter to our financial power.
So when we get through this it's a fuck'em all from me. They can fight their own fucking battles just like we are fighting ours.

Club will think that way, no doubt, but I just can't force myself. With other clubs being ****s or not. It's just not right. Invested lot of time arguing about ****ishness of the core FFP principles just to make a full turn. I can't.

 

[goalmole]

Club will think that way, no doubt, but I just can't force myself. With other clubs being ****s or not. It's just not right.

I'm not quite as magnanimous you apparently are.

 

[SWP's back]

Equivalent amount ... Isn't that effectively 50%?

No

 

[SWP's back]

Not sure this would be particularly effective tbh.

Let’s say PSG go out and the owner subsidises 100m of transfers in the summer-

The owner would have to put a further 100m into the kitty which I imagine would be divvied up between the 32 teams in the competition - about 3 million per club. Hardly going to ‘assist’ those clubs greatly is it? Hardly enough to ‘stop’ an owner splurging if he wants to / can afford to.

Yes the owner would have to pay out a further 100m, but let’s have it right if he’s happy to splash 100m on shiny new toys and that’s the level of wealth we’re dealing with, he’s hardly going to shit himself about another 100m is he?

Wouldn’t it also be a way of ‘bypassing’ FFP rules as effectively the subsidised buying would be being done ‘outside of’ FFP?

Yeah it would be a way of bypassing FFP because the idea is to replace FFP with that tax so there would be no FFP.

It’s the system they brought in in China and it’s bollocks.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

A better way would be to install a football-protection fee, by the Premier League and Football League.

The clubs that buy players, should pay 10% to grassroot leagues, 15% to nonleague teams and 5% to preserve league two and league one clubs. The top two flights of football get enough to mismanage on their own. The FA, the regional FAs etc should regulate all of this. The Premier League and Football League can set a great example of proper financial fairplay that would urinate over anything UEFA could do.

 

[dickie davies]

Not sure this would be particularly effective tbh.

Let’s say PSG go out and the owner subsidises 100m of transfers in the summer-

The owner would have to put a further 100m into the kitty which I imagine would be divvied up between the 32 teams in the competition - about 3 million per club. Hardly going to ‘assist’ those clubs greatly is it? Hardly enough to ‘stop’ an owner splurging if he wants to / can afford to.

Yes the owner would have to pay out a further 100m, but let’s have it right if he’s happy to splash 100m on shiny new toys and that’s the level of wealth we’re dealing with, he’s hardly going to shit himself about another 100m is he?

Wouldn’t it also be a way of ‘bypassing’ FFP rules as effectively the subsidised buying would be being done ‘outside of’ FFP?

If they did and we received £3m, would my season card go up in price again or would City give Mangala another new contract!

 

[asahartford1]

Interesting to see which airline EUFA partner.

I bet it will be etihad-:)