Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[Ric]

I think you will find on bluemoon and the country in general that the decency of a human being can go up or down depending if they are on your side. We have seen it recently with Rory Stewart and the remainers. Posters whose heads usually explode at the mention of a Tory MP suddenly turned into sycophantic fanboys.

In much the same way that supposed lifelong Labour voters are now gushing about Boris Johnson since he promised to deliver Brexit?

 

[hilts]

In much the same way that supposed lifelong Labour voters are now gushing about Boris Johnson since he promised to deliver Brexit?

I did say both sides and mentioned Rory as the latest. Are you talking about bluemoon posters that are gushing about Boris? I may have missed it how many supposed lifelong labour supporters on here have gushed about Boris. No names just a rough number will do.

 

[Ric]

I did say both sides and mentioned Rory as the latest. Are you talking about bluemoon posters that are gushing about Boris? I may have missed it how many supposed lifelong labour supporters on here have gushed about Boris. No names just a rough number will do.

Just a general observation. Merely reiterating your point that it works both ways.

 

[bluethrunthru]

So if any aggressor, who has massively more conventional force than ourselves, decides to annex our territory,
say the strategically situated Shetlands, you wouldn't do anything whatsoever, you have no threat to offer them, nothing.
If that aggressor backs up his aggression with the threat of individual cities being razed, either conventionally, or using Nukes,
if we do not immediately capitulate, what would you do?

Do what we did to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine of course - us with our mighty arsenal of nukes - threaten the aggressor and make them back down like we did and ....oh hang on.....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Do what we did to defend the sovereignty of Ukraine of course - us with our mighty arsenal of nukes - threaten the aggressor and make them back down like we did and ....oh hang on.....

Ukraine is not in NATO.
If they were, do you think the Russians would have invaded?

 

[BobKowalski]

Ukraine is not in NATO.
If they were, do you think the Russians would have invaded?

They did apply in ‘08 and then backed out. Unsurprisingly they have reaffirmed their commitment to join NATO and the EU. Think they are on course for full EU membership in a few years time.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

They did apply in ‘08 and then backed out. Unsurprisingly they have reaffirmed their commitment to join NATO and the EU. Think they are on course for full EU membership in a few years time.

All true, but not relevant to the point being discussed.
Which needs it's own thread really, I'll start one now if the mods want to merge these points.

 

[yerwot?]

Not a fan of Boris, but i am utterly convinced he won't be as bad as the warmonger and serial liar Blair. Still staggered he has so much support from some on here.

our liar is not as bad as your liar...ffs....am neither staggered nor astounded( tm. brexit) .
hard brexit is thatcherism, no matter how many times it's dressed up as some f'kin' airy-fairy bollox about "freedom...trajectory etc etc" . It's backed by as dodgy a bunch of billionaires as you could find, cheered on by racists, supported by the generation that grew fat on the rise of house prices, slash-and-burn low-tax no-investment years 1979-1997. All it takes to be a remainer is to be none of the above and have an aversion to racism and being lied to, not a very high bar tbf. :)

 

[west didsblue]

Ukraine is not in NATO.
If they were, do you think the Russians would have invaded?

No chance.

At least, no chance pre-Trump.

 

[bluejon]

our liar is not as bad as your liar...ffs....am neither staggered nor astounded( tm. brexit) .
hard brexit is thatcherism, no matter how many times it's dressed up as some f'kin' airy-fairy bollox about "freedom...trajectory etc etc" . It's backed by as dodgy a bunch of billionaires as you could find, cheered on by racists, supported by the generation that grew fat on the rise of house prices, slash-and-burn low-tax no-investment years 1979-1997. All it takes to be a remainer is to be none of the above and have an aversion to racism and being lied to, not a very high bar tbf. :)

The irony being that there is an element of thatcherism about brexit, but thatcher herself would likely be going apeshit about brexit due to the loss of british influence and power it will cause.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

As far as I can tell:

Mail columnist: "BBC Conservative leadership debate rigged against the Tories".

Um. I assume I've misread something.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I have my eye on this outcome as well. Boris has no magic with which to defeat the numbers so the first weeks and months of his tenure are highly predictable, what is not clear is how he gets through without there being a car crash and GE. Could he go as follows:

1, Tries to negotiate with EU - they refuse to budge on anything of significance.
2, Manouvers in HoC start to work against him and no deal looks incresingly unlikely.
3, Facing the prospect of entering a T May style cycle of failure he puts No Deal to the HoC subject to a 2nd Ref.
4, ERG go mental but Lab & Tory whips get it through.
5, Borris soft peddales the leave campaign and ensures Remain wins.
6. Borris gets 2 years of being PM in a post brexit world.

Ken Clarke also on to this

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The irony being that there is an element of thatcherism about brexit, but thatcher herself would likely be going apeshit about brexit due to the loss of british influence and power it will cause.

And say what you will about Thatcher (and she was a bit of a **** ) but she wouldn't have presided over this shitshow. For all her faults, she was an effective leader.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Ken Clarke also on to this

He consistently cuts through the bullshit like a knife through summer butter.

I paid little significant attention to Tories like Clarke and Heseltine before, but now they looks like the last dying embers of relatively honest politics.

 

[Mike D]

If things weren't crazy enough in the States electing a misognistic, far right, white supremacist, bigoted buffoon we are about to elect our own. Is this where we are at ? What ever happened to the days when to become PM you need to be honest trust worthy and usually have a stable family (apart from Heath who was most definitely gay) ? What levels have we stooped to now that letting this into the running of our country? I remember when conservatism actually as the word literally meant a commitment to traditional values (however hypoctritical that became at some time). when did this all go out the window? I just hope and prey that this as many are predicting destroy the tory party before this lying buffoon get's to do Brexit or anything remotely important.

 

[Mike D]

And say what you will about Thatcher (and she was a bit of a **** ) but she wouldn't have presided over this shitshow. For all her faults, she was an effective leader.

The old witch would be spinning in her grave at the thought of Boris bringing in his young bit of totty into number 10 and no doubt banging a few more young birds in their before he gets the boot.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

And say what you will about Thatcher (and she was a bit of a **** ) but she wouldn't have presided over this shitshow. For all her faults, she was an effective leader.

She was a lot of a **** but she wasn't an idiot and of course would never have had us anywhere near leaving the EU. How bizarre that the sort of selfish right wingers who idolized her are the ones pushing like zombies to destroy everything that she did achieve.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

She was a lot of a **** but she wasn't an idiot and of course would never have had us anywhere near leaving the EU. How bizarre that the sort of selfish right wingers who idolized her are the ones pushing like zombies to destroy everything that she did achieve.

That poll of Tory members the other day shows that some people have lost all sense of reason in relation to this subject. I believe some people would rather this country descend into civil war, followed by the breakdown of civilisation if it meant leaving the EU.

 

[hgblue]

She was a lot of a **** but she wasn't an idiot and of course would never have had us anywhere near leaving the EU. How bizarre that the sort of selfish right wingers who idolized her are the ones pushing like zombies to destroy everything that she did achieve.

Would that be the same Margaret Thatcher who was brought down by EU sycophants like Heseltine, Howe and Major, because she was vehemently opposed to the European Super State?

 

[Magicpole]

Our Ian Blackford called the wanker out for being a racist which he certainly is. And it’s there in black and white written by his own fat chubby fingers. Look at the media coverage given to Labour’s anti Semitic issues, then compare how the bbc ignore this bastard?

Impartial my arse. Well done Ian, you fucking nailed him and Berkow, he wasn’t making an accusation without proof. The proof is there but because he’s a fuckibg Tory Toff he gets a bye. His poem about the Scots where he wants us exterminated is appalling. I would like to see that fat fuck trying to exterminate any of us. We would kick the **** into a coma.

Fucking shitebag and utter scum. I would love to have a televised Square go with the ****. See if he could exterminate me.

Spoiler. He wouldn’t.