VAR (PL introduction 2019)

Psychedelic Casual said:
Why does the ref have to go over and have a look at a screen on the side of the pitch to make a decision?

There are half a dozen people seeing the same thing in a studio without any pressure on them. Why the fuck can’t they make the decision like in rugby?

It takes the piss having to wait while the ref runs over the to sideline, watch the same video that the VAR panel have already watched and then run all the way back to the incident.

The game is already littered with time wasting ****s, we don’t need VAR boring everyone in the stands to death n’all.
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Agreed, it's amateur hour and all a bit ridiculous
 
BlueHammer85 said:
very similar arguments to VAR when hawk-eye was first introduced, it is now a massive success in Tennis

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/11/tennis.wimbledon
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But it takes about ten seconds for Hawk Eye to get to its decision.

VAR is taking ages, especially when the ref has to run to the screen at the side of the pitch.

It’s a fucking farce! I’m absolutely gutted that this is coming in, in the way it is. It’s going to ruin the game.

It’s alright for TV audiences. This is designed for those armchair ****s who get to see all the replays and hear the discussion about it as it’s going on. While the fans in the ground are stood there and do not have a fucking clue what’s going on and are bored to tears while minutes go by.

“V A R is fucking shit, V A R is fucking shit!”
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Why does the ref have to go over and have a look at a screen on the side of the pitch to make a decision?

There are half a dozen people seeing the same thing in a studio without any pressure on them. Why the fuck can’t they make the decision like in rugby?

It takes the piss having to wait while the ref runs over the to sideline, watch the same video that the VAR panel have already watched and then run all the way back to the incident.

The game is already littered with time wasting ****s, we don’t need VAR boring everyone in the stands to death n’all.

Fuck this shit off immediately!
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It's not that different from rugby.

A screen review is only for fouls/handballs, where the ref has to decide if it's enough for a foul. If it's black/white (offside*, inside the area or not) does the video ref instruct an outcome.

In rugby union test matches, they will watch and describe what they see on the big screen, and then the on-field ref states his opinion of what he's going to do. Only if it's black/white things does the video ref make the decision - in touch or not, ball clearly grounded or not.

*without going into the details of how well it works.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
would you say the same if next season Salah dives, ref gives a penalty , ref checks with VAR and the penalty is not given and the cheating diving twat gets booked ?
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If it takes five minutes to come to a decision, I’d rather just give the **** the penalty and try and win the game in the other 89mins and 30secs.
 
It could turn the game into a non contact sport, which would be horrendous.
Like a lot of people i have concerns but lets see how it goes first.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
If it takes five minutes to come to a decision, I’d rather just give the **** the penalty and try and win the game in the other 89mins and 30secs.
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ridicolous, you would rather Salah get away with a dive and watch Liverpool fans bounce up and down than a ref double checking and getting the right decision.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's not that different from rugby.

A screen review is only for fouls/handballs, where the ref has to decide if it's enough for a foul. If it's black/white (offside*, inside the area or not) does the video ref instruct an outcome.

In rugby union test matches, they will watch and describe what they see on the big screen, and then the on-field ref states his opinion of what he's going to do. Only if it's black/white things does the video ref make the decision - in touch or not, ball clearly grounded or not.

*without going into the details of how well it works.
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I don’t watch rugby union. In rugby league, other than odd ones that do take a while, the Video Ref is slick and to the point. There’s no discussion to-and-fro other than the ref sending a decision upstairs; “I’ve got a try, just clear up whether it’s offside in the build up”, and the Video Ref gives his decision.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
ridicolous, you would rather Salah get away with a dive and watch Liverpool fans bounce up and down than a ref double checking and getting the right decision.
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It’s not the decision that’s bothering me. We all want the right decisions but not at the expense of the game being stopped for minutes at a time.

It’s the farcical way in which some decisions mean the ref has to run to the sideline to watch back a video the VAR panel have all already watched themselves. VAR should make the bloody decision.

If it takes as long as it’s taking with all this sideline stuff, yes, I’d rather just give the **** the penalty. He might miss it anyway. Ideally it’d be VAR that makes the decision and we wouldn’t have the circus of refs going to the sideline.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
would you say the same if next season Salah dives, ref gives a penalty , ref checks with VAR and the penalty is not given and the cheating diving twat gets booked ?
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I'm with you on this BH as I would prefer that Salah gets booked for the dive. At present he gets away with too many dubious penalties , which are only appreciated by the dipper lemmings. I would hope that he gets carded every fucking time as he has had too many dubious decisions go for him whilst he has been with them.

Not sure what his record was whilst in Italy , but his " diving ability " may have been one of the attractions for Klopp when signing him.

The current VAR process needs to speed up though .
 
Got a feeling the VAR thread next season will make War and Peace seem like a short story.
 
VAR decisions are falling into two categories.

Offside goals (occasionally when the defending team hasn't even appealed, such as Sterling v Tottenham)

Penalty decisions (occasionally when the attacking team hasn't even appealed, such as Aguero's missed penalty v Tottenham)

The rugby analogy works for offsides, because essentially the cameras are dealing with facts. The main issue is the time factor, but eventually this might become an automated decision

However, as evidenced by the Portugal v Switzerland farce, a penalty decision is subjective, and VAR might still provide an incorrect outcome.
Fast forward to a potentially explosive fixture and wait for the fireworks.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
why do you assume VAR will remain as it is, it will always find ways to speed up and improve
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I don’t mate. But it has remained as it is for four years.

I detest it so far, for:

1. The sideline shit I’ve mentioned
2. Taking away the one thing that football is more special than anything else - the elation of fans as the ball hits the net, as from now on you’re never going to go mental in case VAR might rule it out.

We think it’s new here because it’s only coming in to the Prem this coming season but VAR has already been going for four years and nothing has changed yet.
 
Watching the women's world cup, and I've gone from being totally in favour to being against it. The laws of the game retain interpretation, centimetres don't feel enough to call onside/offside, and there is still inconsistency from one game to the next and debate afterwards.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I don’t watch rugby union. In rugby league, other than odd ones that do take a while, the Video Ref is slick and to the point. There’s no discussion to-and-fro other than the ref sending a decision upstairs; “I’ve got a try, just clear up whether it’s offside in the build up”, and the Video Ref gives his decision.
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Fair enough.
I agree that RL is pretty quick, but it is a much simpler game, and most questions are line decisions, such as the offside you mention.. Almost the only thing that is subjective is obstruction.

RL has a system that works for it, but they don't look for forward passes often with it, as it's difficult to tell (mostly because of the lax definition of a forward pass nowadays!). Football has gone a different route, and is clearly still trying to work out what the best way is.
 
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