VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[rnblade]

It will be used when it suits it seems. Wait and watch the excuses that come out this season.
Unbelievable Jeff.

 

[Ban-jani]

Really not looking forward to this in the PL next season.

I won’t ever celebrate a goal right away because some **** in a van 3 miles away may have picked something insignificant up and it will still be down to the officials to make the wrong decision.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Really not looking forward to this in the PL next season.

I won’t ever celebrate a goal right away because some **** in a van 300 miles away may have picked something insignificant up and it will still be down to the officials to make the wrong decision.

Edited for accuracy ;-)

 

[deano ou812]

Really not looking forward to this in the PL next season.

I won’t ever celebrate a goal right away because some **** in a van 3 miles away may have picked something insignificant up and it will still be down to the officials to make the wrong decision.

Yip,like rolling back till they find something that looks like a foul to disallow a goal...

 

[Father Paul]

Yip,like rolling back till they find something that looks like a foul to disallow a goal...

Problem is that technology cannot and probably never will be able to categorically decide certain events in a football match. Subjectivity will always be a part of the game and opinions will differ. VAR will create as many arguments as it solves but if it manages to reduce the number of real howlers by refs it just migth prove wortwhile.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yip,like rolling back till they find something that looks like a foul to disallow a goal...

I expect that they will roll back to a foul not spotted last season and disallow the goal.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Var is trying to run before it can even crawl in football.

Exactly. And FIFA caused that by introducing this all-encompassing version of VAR during a World Cup, of all places.

People are instinctively averse to change, so the way the authorities have gone about introducing VAR is ridiculous. It will never garner popular support because it's drastically changing the nature of the game in one fell swoop.

It should have been brought in piece by piece over a number of years. Start with a season reviewing offside decisions only. Figure out what all the pitfalls are, tweak it and keep repeating. Once it's been fine-tuned and everyone has got used to it, you can then add reviews of penalty/potential penalty incidents for a season. Follow the same process, then finally introduce reviews for all goals scored.

I simply can't get on board with this current version of VAR, but I may have felt differently had it been implemented in stages over 3-5 years. This is what most other sports did, because they understood that it's very difficult to roll things back once they've been introduced. Much better (and easier) to start with the basics that you'll always get right, then begin adding more "controversial" things once you've developed a solid base of support.

It's simple common sense. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that football has chosen to do the opposite.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I have no idea what so ever of the objective of VAR In football now. I thought it was to eliminate clear and obvious errors, but that isn’t the case at all.

Yep, we were essentially lied to. I could handle a system that is used sparingly to correct the kind of glaring errors that occur a handful of times at most each weekend.

But it's being used to re-referee games (something we were assured would never happen), with every call being poured over in minute detail to see if there was the slightest possible infraction. Why even bother with the charade of having on-field referees anymore?

 

[hammocity]

Yep, we were essentially lied to. I could handle a system that is used sparingly to correct the kind of glaring errors that occur at most a handful of times each weekend.

But it's being used to re-referee games (something we were assured would never happen), with every call being poured over in minute detail to see if there was the slightest possible infraction. Why even bother with the charade of having on-field referees anymore?

Spot on, it also depends on the character of the ref when they are asked to review a decision on screen. A ref such as Mike Dean would never admit he originally made a mistake so will always go with his first decision. It’s bollocks and could ruin the game. NFL implemented a form of VAR in 1986 and binned it in 1991. They do have a review system but I don’t have a knowledgeable grasp of NFL to explain it but In the semi final last season there was a huge ref error that prevented the New Orleans Saints from reaching the Super Bowl final, despite that (and its much easier to use VAR in American football with all the stoppages) there’s no chance VAR we’ll be re-implemented in the US.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Spot on, it also depends on the character of the ref when they are asked to review a decision on screen. A ref such as Mike Dean would never admit he originally made a mistake so will always go with his first decision. It’s bollocks and could ruin the game. NFL implemented a form of VAR in 1986 and binned it in 1991. They do have a review system but I don’t have a knowledgeable grasp of NFL to explain it but In the semi final last season there was a huge ref error that prevented the New Orleans Saints from reaching the Super Bowl final, despite that (and its much easier to use VAR in American football with all the stoppages) there’s no chance VAR we’ll be re-implemented in the US.

I didn't know that, so had a read of this: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1666250-the-history-of-instant-replay-in-the-nfl

It's genuinely staggering that the NFL introduced our version of VAR way back in 1986 and then decided it was completely unworkable TWENTY-SEVEN years ago. It finally reemerged in 1999 with a much more manageable "challenge" system that endures to this day.

Here's a proven case study of a sport that simply couldn't get official-led VAR to work in a fair way without killing the supporter experience, so they binned it off and handed authority for reviewing decisions to the players/managers.

So what does FIFA do? It ignores 30 years of valuable experience and ploughs on regardless. The arrogance of football's governing authorities is breathtaking.

 

[BolinCell]

not long now before the most expensive player in the world is the player who can consistently hit the defenders arm with a chip ball to gain a penalty.

 

[Bigga]

I didn't know that, so had a read of this: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1666250-the-history-of-instant-replay-in-the-nfl

It's genuinely staggering that the NFL introduced our version of VAR way back in 1986 and then decided it was completely unworkable TWENTY-SEVEN years ago. It finally reemerged in 1999 with a much more manageable "challenge" system that endures to this day.

Here's a proven case study of a sport that simply couldn't get official-led VAR to work in a fair way without killing the supporter experience, so they binned it off and handed authority for reviewing decisions to the players/managers.

So what does FIFA do? It ignores 30 years of valuable experience and ploughs on regardless. The arrogance of football's governing authorities is breathtaking.

I don't like this version of VAR at all.

I've been talking about a 2 challenge system for years and then let the ref get on with game once the challenges ran out.

 

[penguins4kompany]

Think it's very open to manipulation, for instance the ref strangely not being shown the alternate/best angles of the llorente arm assisted goal.
And this from the league cup semi first leg, spurs v chelsea https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ide-chelsea-provide-alternative-camera-angle/

 

[stonerblue]

Another day, another match ruined.

 

[tornandfrayed]

not long now before the most expensive player in the world is the player who can consistently hit the defenders arm with a chip ball to gain a penalty.

My money's on a certain ginger haired wizard currently playing in sky blue.

 

[Mon Autre]

Feel like if VAR is here to stay and we're going to judge things in such forensic detail then I'd like the offside rule to be updated.

I know it won't eradicate narrow and contentious decisions but I think strikers need a bit more to work with if their movements are going to be judged in super slow mo over and over again. Think I'd prefer it if there needed to be clear daylight between the attacker and defender in order for it to be offside.

 

[Colthekid]

Feel like if VAR is here to stay and we're going to judge things in such forensic detail then I'd like the offside rule to be updated.

I know it won't eradicate narrow and contentious decisions but I think strikers need a bit more to work with if their movements are going to be judged in super slow mo over and over again. Think I'd prefer it if there needed to be clear daylight between the attacker and defender in order for it to be offside.

The problem is, you will still get the "narrow & contentious decisions" whichever way the offside law is implemented...

either, using the current law - "The attacker is level...No, his big toe is offside";
or if we use your version - "The attacker is offside, there's daylight between them...No, the defenders big toe is overlapping the attackers heel"

Small margins either way, so where do you draw the line? Personally I think these very narrow offside decisions are one of the reasons why VAR is necessary, the margin can be so small as to defeat the naked eye of the Linesman or Referee. I would rather the right decision, no matter how small the margin. No-one (except the dippers) seems to mind about the small margins the goal-line decision system gives (last season being a prime example!)

I don't mind the delay's VAR can cause either, just adds to the tension & excitement as far as I'm concerned. Although I admit the times are a bit long at the mo, I'd be surprised if they didn't come down as everyone (Ref's included) got used to the system.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Why does the ref have to go over and have a look at a screen on the side of the pitch to make a decision?

There are half a dozen people seeing the same thing in a studio without any pressure on them. Why the fuck can’t they make the decision like in rugby?

It takes the piss having to wait while the ref runs over the to sideline, watch the same video that the VAR panel have already watched and then run all the way back to the incident.

The game is already littered with time wasting ****s, we don’t need VAR boring everyone in the stands to death n’all.

Fuck this shit off immediately!

 

[toffee balls]

I'm confused.
Tight but correct call on both major incidents.

 

[Mon Autre]

The problem is, you will still get the "narrow & contentious decisions" whichever way the offside law is implemented...

either, using the current law - "The attacker is level...No, his big toe is offside";
or if we use your version - "The attacker is offside, there's daylight between them...No, the defenders big toe is overlapping the attackers heel"

Small margins either way, so where do you draw the line? Personally I think these very narrow offside decisions are one of the reasons why VAR is necessary, the margin can be so small as to defeat the naked eye of the Linesman or Referee. I would rather the right decision, no matter how small the margin. No-one (except the dippers) seems to mind about the small margins the goal-line decision system gives (last season being a prime example!)

I don't mind the delay's VAR can cause either, just adds to the tension & excitement as far as I'm concerned. Although I admit the times are a bit long at the mo, I'd be surprised if they didn't come down as everyone (Ref's included) got used to the system.

I agree with you. I don't think my suggestion would really change much when it comes to close calls. It just feels like VAR is giving all of the benefit to the defending teams and we're losing out when it comes to teams showing anticipation and foresight. As a fan, I don't want to see well worked goals ruled out for the sake of a millimetre and I think giving the attackers that little extra margin of error might alleviate that. They should aim to be level, if they've strayed so far ahead there's daylight there then they only have themselves to blame if it's one millimetre one way or the other. Like I say, I know what i'm saying creates new issues in itself but it's just how I feel and I think i'd just prefer to see strikers given that little bit more leeway if this is how the game is going to be from now on.

I can only speak for myself but I don't think i've ever felt too hard done by if a goal like Ellen White's last night has been awarded against us. And I've never felt especially like we've "gotten away with one" when we've had goals like last night's stand in our favour.