VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[MillionMilesAway]

I disagree. Remember season before last when they all met to clamp down on shirt tugging in the box and it lasted for 2 weeks? In the women’s World Cup we’ve seen them ditch yellow cards for penalty shoot out line encroachments. Then we had the rumoured mid season meeting about handballs amongst UCL refs which burned us against spurs

Not sure why refs don’t just apply the rules. If they don’t like them or don’t believe they work then get them changed

Shirt tugging is an odd one. I think the laws were unchanged on that, but each ref association can offer guidelines if they want to clamp down on something. I think it's exactly a situation where they tried something and then it was deemed to be counter-productive and dropped.
It is possible that one or two teams had an extra match before or after the relaxation (due to cup matches, etc), but each individual match was run under rules and happened in isolation. I don't think that a change between playing e.g. West Ham before or after the relaxation is going to make a material difference, and I would expect the clubs to have had their say before it was relaxed.

The encroachment thing was suspended by FIFA exemption. My assumption is that any previously given yellows were annulled, or that it was done at the end of the group stage. That makes it pretty fair to all involved, and frankly if it keeps a goalie from wasting time, I'm in favour of it!

The handball change is different again, but with some similarities to the above. There clearly was a directive regarding handball in CL/EL matches, but it was between group and knock-out stages. Everyone in the KO stage had the same rules for all the games, and it was therefore fair. Spurs had the same rules as City.
It has been cited here many times, but from what I've seen Rossetti's comments were only directed at defensive handballs; Llorente's was not covered by that directive made, but has been covered by the rules from now on.
I've said this many times here in answer to the question and I'm yet to see anything which proves my opinion wrong (and if it can be proved wrong, then I'll have been wrong and will be happy to see proof).

It's a bit like the false equivalence of Swansea not having VAR in the FA Cup - it was the same for both teams on the day in a KO match, and is therefore fair. It could have been Swansea who benefitted.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

I still live in hope that VAR will be like it is in cricket, standards of umpiring have improved tremendously since it started. Very rarely now is the umpire proved wrong and there are no frivolous challenges.

 

[crazyg]

Yes, so not having screens will have no effect at all, and isn't important.

Exactly.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Yes, so not having screens will have no effect at all, and isn't important.

Except, of course, that grounds like ours will be able to show supporters what is going on. Frustratingly, for Rags and dipper fans, they will just have to be told.

 

[citytilllidie]

Except, of course, that grounds like ours will be able to show supporters what is going on. Frustratingly, for Rags and dipper fans, they will just have to be told.

Ha Ha. Imagine the booing if things don't go their way.
And the tone of the way it will be delivered by the orator will also be interesting.
Who'd be a ref?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Except, of course, that grounds like ours will be able to show supporters what is going on. Frustratingly, for Rags and dipper fans, they will just have to be told.

Agreed, but it doesn't affect the reffing (you'd hope)

 

[BlueHammer85]

I still live in hope that VAR will be like it is in cricket, standards of umpiring have improved tremendously since it started. Very rarely now is the umpire proved wrong and there are no frivolous challenges.

I think football has a lot more grey areas so will take longer to get right, but it’s the way to go for sure. Old system of a ref guessing and everyone going mental at every decision was coming to an end eventually

 

[cheekybids]

I’ve just seen 2 decisions with VAR that could be determined completely opposite with VAR.

Handball against USA not given, Colombia goal not given.

The game is corrupt!

 

[stonerblue]

VAR has increased the accuracy of decision from 92.5% to 98.1%. in womans world cup which is similar to Mens world cup.
This means a major decision will is missed in two more games a season without VAR than with it. Not every major decision mistake made ends up being match changing.
The question for every one is ... is that improvement worth the shit that comes with VAR?

Is it fuck, and those that wanna make the game 'error free' will never be satisfied unless they fuck off to the playstation.

 

[stonerblue]

What about referees outside the Premier League without VAR? How will they referee games?
Will the new rules on handball and penalties apply to none VAR games and the amateur game? If so I can see big problems for referees.

Touched on another reason why i think var is bollox. How are kids, amateurs, lower league players gonna be affected by playing the game under fundamentally different rules?

 

[stonerblue]

I still live in hope that VAR will be like it is in cricket, standards of umpiring have improved tremendously since it started. Very rarely now is the umpire proved wrong and there are no frivolous challenges.

Two completely different games so ridiculous to try and compare them.

 

[blueinsa]

Two completely different games so ridiculous to try and compare them.

Correct.

Many in the we want var club, myself included a few years ago pissed off with being done over by shit decisions made the mistake of comparing and saying look cricket can do it etc.

VAR is a horror show for football and will kill the game we love, talking points and its mistakes included.

 

[stonerblue]

Correct.

Many in the we want var club, myself included a few years ago pissed off with being done over by shit decisions made the mistake of comparing and saying look cricket can do it etc.

VAR is a horror show for football and will kill the game we love, talking points and its mistakes included.

Not only have you come round to my way of thinking, you've also picked up the 'fuck var' baton and are running faster with it

 

[BlueHammer85]

Is it fuck, and those that wanna make the game 'error free' will never be satisfied unless they fuck off to the playstation.

If supporters are happy to allow the officials to make errors then we wouldn’t be needing VAR.

 

[gingerprince]

Still have not seen any rationale/explanation why no VAR review & why Lloris was not booked and penalty retaken for encroachment in CL 1st Leg.

VAR team were certain of offside line & determined Aguero offside by absolute minimum margin possible in 2nd Leg which is fine/correct

However, if they can be so certain of the second, where ball going one way and player in opposite direction but cannot determine encroachment of a yard by a goalkeeper, particularly where the line has already been drawn for them.

& for referees on the forum when new rules for player leaving the field come into play, will they have to put a bib on before wandering around the pitch as the subs warning up on the touchline have to wear, as their presence on the touchline is/was deemed to cause incorrect calls by misidentification.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Still have not seen any rationale/explanation why no VAR review & why Lloris was not booked and penalty retaken for encroachment in CL 1st Leg.

VAR team were certain of offside line & determined Aguero offside by absolute minimum margin possible in 2nd Leg which is fine/correct

However, if they can be so certain of the second, where ball going one way and player in opposite direction but cannot determine encroachment of a yard by a goalkeeper, particularly where the line has already been drawn for them.

& for referees on the forum when new rules for player leaving the field come into play, will they have to put a bib on before wandering around the pitch as the subs warning up on the touchline have to wear, as their presence on the touchline is/was deemed to cause incorrect calls by misidentification.

The last point is a good one.

I have no idea if VAR last season was judging keepers moving; I don't recall many obvious ones given without VAR being available.

 

[richardtheref]

Last year officials in the Champs lge were instructed that VAR would not be used for encroachment.
With regards to the bibs. Ideally substituted players would wear bibs but practically how do you do this. Have bibs all round the pitch? Also home & away bibs are different colours.

 

[Vicmeldrew666]

It threatened to kill the womens world cup - so many penalties and cards for keepers "encroaching" in group stages that they had to change the rules.
Var is trying to run before it can even crawl in football.
Utterly farcical. 30 seconds to review should be plenty - if no obvious error by ref then the game should continue.
I like how var is applied in rugby but never going to be like that in football.
My Sty and bt subscriptions may well be cancelled by December if var is applied as it has been recently.
I truely pity the poor sods who will be at the match starting at 3pm and due to var the match ends 12 f*cking hours later!

 

[stonerblue]

If supporters are happy to allow the officials to make errors then we wouldn’t be needing VAR.

Supporters have been happy with the game for a hundred years, seeing it rise in global popularity to become one of the biggest sport in the world. Errors have always been part of that, and the notion that var will eliminate errors is ridiculous (as we have seen for the last couple of years).
As i said before, if you want error free football get on your x box.

 

[willipp]

You only have to look at any game with VAR being used and there are more controversial decisions than prior to VAR. I have no idea what so ever of the objective of VAR In football now. I thought it was to eliminate clear and obvious errors, but that isn’t the case at all. It feels like it’s being used now to create controversy and it feels the referees and under strict orders to create talking points throughout the game.