I like hilts tbh even though we disagree on basically everything on this forum but you're spot on there. Him and 1632 are fond of claiming their posts are misread rather than defending them.To be fair, you don't add anything to any debate bar fuelling the fire of others. Pretty much what Ric was describing as the reason the board may go apolitical.
If you've got a point, make it. If you always respond suggesting that someone has misconstrued your post, then rather than just saying that, elaborate on what you do mean.
To be fair, you don't add anything to any debate bar fuelling the fire of others. Pretty much what Ric was describing as the reason the board may go apolitical.
If you've got a point, make it. If you always respond suggesting that someone has misconstrued your post, then rather than just saying that, elaborate on what you do mean.
I like hilts tbh even though we disagree on basically everything on this forum but you're spot on there. Him and 1632 are fond of claiming their posts are misread rather than defending them.
stop ranting and scroll back up to read our exchanges and realise what a buffoon you are making of yourself.
Now what was I saying yesterday about there being so many of us traditionally Labour voters on here - but we cannot vote for the current leadership - and we feel that the 'hard-left' have hijacked the party and have nothing but contempt for those of us 'not pure enough'they had 13 years in power and could/should have done so much better . they did nothing to repeal the draconian anti trade union laws that thatcher brought in and made zero effort towards reinstating a fair rents policy also destroyed by thatcher . these are policies that could have helped milions but he chose to kiss corporate arse instead .these are just 2 examples off the top of my head , if I had the time and inclination I am sure I could find a great many more . unfortunately the only cunts around are those who refuse to see the blindingly obvious .
It must boil your piss to know in your heart that Labour will not win a GE without the likes of Blueinsa and myself - of which there are millionsPragmatism?
The Labour Party won its greatest-ever number of seats in the landslide general election victory in 1997. Labour won 419 seats, including that of the Speaker, giving the party a huge majority of 179 in the House of Commons.
And what did Blair do with that huge majority? Except piss it away....
He set the bar so low a half decent one nation tory could have leapt it, which, not surprisingly, he did.
And here we see a fine example of the persuasive hard-left representative seeking to secure votes for Labour in actionIts staggering just how thick some of the twats are on here !! Typical fodder who believe everything they see in the media , I take comfort in the fact that not everyone is a complete moron , but sometimes I seriously wonder if most actually are .
It must boil your piss to know in your heart that Labour will not win a GE without the likes of Blueinsa and myself - of which there are millions
You can spend the years until the next election pontificating and berating those not pure enough - you can spend the years after it in bitter reflection on the truth of the matter
Whilst we don’t agree on Brexit, I do agree with large parts of what is a very thoughtful post imo. How the Tory party still manages to lead current opinion polls is simply astonishing. I don’t think JC is a good leader but would rather see him as PM than absolute complete and utter c**ts Johnson and Hunt.Absolutely.
The problem with history is its wrote according to the views of the writer. The Labour party today is more a reflection of Atlee than Blair. Atlee had the benefit of being around before the macarthyite witch hunts against anybody on the left. Blair took the Labour Party rightwards and the UK began to reflect the USA. Both main parties were pro-capital, this opened the door to the populists. Labour always had a long tradition of being the Patriotic party, it was the working class who did most of the dying in wars that protected the capitalist class. In many ways a typical Labour voter was a small C conservative, they valued family,community and tradition. Blairs embrace of capital helped destroy those roots that had been fermented under Thatcher, he was her true heir and so far removed from typical Labour it is astonishing. He failed many because he refused to repeal Thatcherite reform and even stuck to the Tory spending plans. He did some good of course and it would be churlish of me to say different. What he did though was alienate the left, he was and remains a metropolitan liberal. He more than anyone alienated the Labour heartlands and gave hope to the populists.
Corbyn reflects more traditional Labour, more Bennite than Blair and people have eradicated the memory of the Wilson successes and even carry on with the fallacy that it was Wilson who caused the three day week. Now we have the Daily Mailification of the country it is hard to get true Labour values across because the likes of George Hannah insist Labour is a Marxist party and of course buys all the old tropes aimed at it by the capitalist class. We hear about cultural Marxism, taken from the Nazis Cultural Bolshevism which is an old anti semitic trope aimed at the left by the right and its nonsense. Marx didn't write about culture for a start. Labour has also allowed itself to become identarian which is counter to traditional Labour values, of the course the party should always fight for the rights of minorities but it should not be defined by them.
Corbyn has popular policies, few now argue against renationalising the Railways, many want the energy companies brought back into public ownership, calls for rent controls are on the increase, many understand the tax system favours those with capital not those without. The problem is the message, when you have a media dominated by the capitalists you will not get a fair hearing, you get mockery and are told Corbyn is dangerous, he s only dangerous to them.
I have never understood why the working class vote against their own interests and elect Tories, it bewilders me as they do not have the working class interests at heart, they are the party of capital and always have been. We are at this time facing the biggest political upheaval of our generation and somehow people believe that Hunt or Johnson are the answer, two people so far removed from the working class it is unbelievable, but the British do forelock tugging better than anyone and I simply cannot see how a Tory is a better option to cure the ills of our nation than a proper Labour government. It is fair enough people believe Brexit is the way forward for our nation, I would probably support a Lexit option as I am not convinced by the pro capital EU, but on the biggest issue of the day people voted for more neo-liberalism not less and that is what you will get from the next Tory PM whoever it maybe.
I could go on for hours but will leave you with this simple thought. Johnson is a **** and so is ****, please don't buy it, think of the people of this nation and fuck them off for good.
I don’t think JC is a good leader.
I think that you misunderstand - a lot of the criticism he receives on here appears to come from potential/previous Labour voters who want Labour to win - but will not vote for Corbyn - go figurewhy do you think an irrelevance is so maligned then? I mean we mock the rags and dippers on here for moaning about us whilst at the same time declaring us an irrelevance so why do the two Leadership candidates and so many on here say we should fear a Corbyn led Labour Government whilst at the same time claiming that will never happen - genuinely curious as to your mindset.
Often not misread - purposefully the words are twisted and presented as meaning something that has not been said - it is a particularly deceitful form of lyingI like hilts tbh even though we disagree on basically everything on this forum but you're spot on there. Him and 1632 are fond of claiming their posts are misread rather than defending them.
The point may have not been understood by yourself - many others would have gotten it thoughThere's no point to this post, beyond trying to get a reaction from me.
Which, given that I've responded, you've achieved.
Well done.
Whilst I think that’s partially the problem, JC could have shown far greater leadership on the two major issues that have blighted his Leadership and helped keep the spotlight away from Labour policies. As a remainer, my views on his approach to Brexit will be pretty predictable. Labour certainly don’t get a fair crack of the whip from U.K. media so it is always going to be difficult to get the message across effectively, one more reason why the leader has to be an exceptional communicator (which he isn’t).You cannot lead those who refuse to be led.
It's akin to a general elected by the privates, but despised by the officer corps.
The point may have not been understood my yourself - many others would have gotten it though
not been understood my yourself
Yeah - typo - the 'm' is near the 'b' on the keyboardIt was for the many not the few.
Yeah.
Whilst I think that’s partially the problem, JC could have shown far greater leadership on the two major issues that have blighted his Leadership and helped keep the spotlight away from Labour policies. As a remainer, my views on his approach to Brexit will be pretty predictable. Labour certainly don’t get a fair crack of the whip from U.K. media so it is always going to be difficult to get the message across effectively, one more reason why the leader has to be an exceptional communicator (which he isn’t).
He’s a genius obviously. My point is that despite your credible defence of him, none of it is making the Labour Party likely to be elected which is absolutely bloody tragic.Today Tom Watson, the Deputy leader, is appealing directly to the membership to sign this....
A Declaration: Labour must lead the campaign to Remain
https://labourremain.org/
And yet he's still in his job.
Watson wants to be fired and with good reason. The third way blairites can't oust Corbyn with their ideas, so they've latched on to the one thing the membership wants, which the leadership isn't offering, as means to get him out.
Corbyn isn't rising to the bait, but in so doing it makes him look weak. The PLP, for the most part, want him out, they've tried everything else so they're trying this.
Enemies within, enemies without, it's a miracle he's still standing.
He’s a genius obviously. My point is that despite your credible defence of him, none of it is making the Labour Party likely to be elected which is absolutely bloody tragic.
Its staggering just how thick some of the twats are on here !! Typical fodder who believe everything they see in the media , I take comfort in the fact that not everyone is a complete moron , but sometimes I seriously wonder if most actually are .