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Referencing Peter Hitchens is a very brave act on this forum but he's had some valuable things to say in the Brexit debate including on yesterday's Politic Live. I agree with much of what you say but I have always thought it was a good idea to leave though in an organized way to mitigate the inevitable short term economic damage.

Well then we should the Withdrawal Agreement in that case.

This is the problem. Leaving means entirely different things to different people and there’s a huge amount of impatience on all sides.
 
Referencing Peter Hitchens is a very brave act on this forum but he's had some valuable things to say in the Brexit debate including on yesterday's Politic Live. I agree with much of what you say but I have always thought it was a good idea to leave though in an organized way to mitigate the inevitable short term economic damage.
You're right I don't get it because it's more incoherent babble. You are a tiresome fellow fumble and should spend less time decorating your posts with mindless insults and more thinking about the reality of the Labour Party's desperate predicament and how it can rescued.

Your supposed inability to grasp that a party in government, the same party as the official opposition, and the same party neither in power nor any immediate prospect of power, might behave differently because of these different states, says more about you than you know.
 
Well then we should the Withdrawal Agreement in that case.

This is the problem. Leaving means entirely different things to different people and there’s a huge amount of impatience on all sides.
Revoke? Enact?
Your supposed inability to grasp that a party in government, the same party as the official opposition, and the same party neither in power nor any immediate prospect of power, might behave differently because of these different states, says more about you than you know.
More babble, have a lie down for half-an-hour fumble, you'll thank me later
 
I just know that No Deal is the stupidest idea in a long history of stupid ideas.

From a LEXIT perspective, it is absolutely perfect, no deal means the nation can escape the EUs neo=liberal clutches and therefore it paves the way for a Socialist state. This is why the rhetoric against Corbyn has been ramped up by the No Deal crowd, they know it is the ultimate gamble. They win big or lose big.
 
From a LEXIT perspective, it is absolutely perfect, no deal means the nation can escape the EUs neo=liberal clutches and therefore it paves the way for a Socialist state. This is why the rhetoric against Corbyn has been ramped up by the No Deal crowd, they know it is the ultimate gamble. They win big or lose big.
A No Deal would in all probability precipitate a national economic crisis which would indeed be welcomed then worsened through strikes and riots organised by Labour Party Marxists as the precursor to their imagined collapse of the capitalist order. After a few years of this our economy, public services and country will be in ruins.
 
From a LEXIT perspective, it is absolutely perfect, no deal means the nation can escape the EUs neo=liberal clutches and therefore it paves the way for a Socialist state. This is why the rhetoric against Corbyn has been ramped up by the No Deal crowd, they know it is the ultimate gamble. They win big or lose big.

So Johnson manages to get us out with no deal, in the ensuing shit show the government collapses, loses election and what not.

Corbyn is carried shoulder high in to Downing Street and from the ashes he builds a socialist nirvana?

Oh, we're back to Marxist led chaos again, I told you, relentless.

A No Deal would in all probability precipitate a national economic crisis which would indeed be welcomed then worsened through strikes and riots organised by Labour Party Marxists as the precursor to their imagined collapse of the capitalist order. After a few years of this our economy, public services and country will be in ruins.
 
From a LEXIT perspective, it is absolutely perfect, no deal means the nation can escape the EUs neo=liberal clutches and therefore it paves the way for a Socialist state. This is why the rhetoric against Corbyn has been ramped up by the No Deal crowd, they know it is the ultimate gamble. They win big or lose big.

Being a lone socialist state will cripple us though.

I am in agreement we definitely need to move to the left but I think doing so to a great degree, whilst going through the economic hammering no deal will give us, will be akin to the transition from British Socialism to Thatcherism in the 80’s.

I think drastic and immediate change is a bad idea and it should be more gradual, in a period of economic stability.

I even think Corbyn knows this, his last manifesto wasn’t socialism, it was pulling us back towards the centre and Social Democracy. From that position a 2nd term could allow him to go further still.
 
So Johnson manages to get us out with no deal, in the ensuing shit show the government collapses, loses election and what not.

Corbyn is carried shoulder high in to Downing Street and from the ashes he builds a socialist nirvana?

Oh, we're back to Marxist led chaos again, I told you, relentless.
So now you're editing your posts after they've been replied to and making them even more incomprehensible. It's tragic really.
 
Exactly what? Just trying to understand your post.

Sorry, I didn’t sleep much last night, I think I’ve misunderstood your posts.

My point is that there isn’t a clear majority on any individual terms in which we leave, that’s why there’s a stalemate.

I don’t buy into it’s a betrayal or a coordinated conspiracy to stop Brexit, I don’t buy “just leave and get it done” either. The terms in which we leave are going to shape the next few decades and are incredibly important, we must get it right.
 

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