The Labour Party

blueinsa said:
Corbyn wants my vote.

The Labour party wants my vote.

I'm 49 next and since i was 18 years old they have always had my vote the last EU election aside where i voted for the Brexit party.

Now i know you dont think that's an issue but i do on a personal level and i think the party will do when many like me across the nation feel similar.

My issue with Corbyn and co, Antisemitism issues aside that needs to be effectively dealt with is i dont believe a word that comes out of their mouths re brexit as a Labour leave supporter and i can see why many Labour remain supports feel the same way.

I honestly feel he is unelectable.
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He'll go down in history for being unable to take advantage of the worst govt in living memory... and that's shameful
 
The perfect fumble said:
;-)

This isn't a change of policy at all, a referendum was "always on the table".

Well now it's a bit more than on the table.

The reality is Johnson won't call an election, so that route, which was first preference at conference, has now gone, so referendum it is then, it's consistent with policy, the membership want it, it's the way things are moving and though it is a gamble, Labour has run out of options.

Besides, this suits Johnson as well, which is no bad thing for Labour. Johnson can't deliver any of the things he's promised, we'll get to October and with the EU hardening against yet another extension, revoking article 50 becomes the only other option other than no deal and Parliament will veto that. Johnson will not want article 50 revoked and neither will his mate Nigel, if it comes down to revoking or referendum, Johnson and Nigel will opt for second referendum.

If Johnson were to go down a second referendum route, however reluctantly, declaring his full confidence in jumping off a cliff, the EU will happily give him enough rope to hang himself and they'll extend....Bob's your uncle!
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BJ likely to have two options...
Jump off the cliff left foot first.
Jump off the cliff right foot first.
Claiming that jump has already been decided.
All the while shouting, "Britain's always been great and always will be, hurrah!"
Churchill. Empire. Fish and chips.
 
Ban-jani said:
Something tells me they may have a hint of bias, I can’t quite put my finger on why they’re throwing wild figures without any evidence around...
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The figure is hard to come by and various polls suggests that the number of labour voters who voted to leave the EU probably sat between 3 and 4 million.

Not the 5 million as suggested by the tweet but a sizeable chunk of traditional Labour support who today have been pissed off by this news.

Can labour win a GE without them?

Not a chance.
 
blueinsa said:
The figure is hard to come by and various polls suggests that the number of labour voters who voted to leave the EU probably sat between 3 and 4 million.

Not the 5 million as suggested by the tweet but a sizeable chunk of traditional Labour support who today have been pissed off by this news.

Can labour win a GE without them?

Not a chance.
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They’ll lose Leaver voters but gain Remainers.

I happen to think most Leavers will go for the Tories or Brexit Party anyway now, dependent on Johnson.

I think most ditched Labour at the Euros.

It’s hard to say now but I believe it may be a straight shootout between a Tory/BP coalition vs Lab/Lib/Green, at the next GE.
 
Ban-jani said:
They’ll lose Leaver voters but gain Remainers.

I happen to think most Leavers will go for the Tories or Brexit Party anyway now, dependent on Johnson.

I think most ditched Labour at the Euros.

It’s hard to say now but I believe it may be a straight shootout between a Tory/BP coalition vs Lab/Lib/Green, at the next GE.
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The only remainers i see them picking up are those that have this last few months flirted with the Lib Dems.

Tories are predominately brexit voters and Brexit party certainly are.

I dont see what votes labour picks up from this announcement other than it appeases its membership and momentum and maintains remain labour support?
 
blueinsa said:
The only remainers i see them picking up are those that have this last few months flirted with the Lib Dems.

Tories are predominately brexit voters and Brexit party certainly are.

I dont see what votes labour picks up from this announcement other than it appeases its membership and momentum and maintains remain labour support?
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Regardless of the outcome, they had no choice. They are falling fast in the polls and are behind Lib Dem. They have a membership that’s over 80% remain. It’s too late if anything.

I’m not saying it’s going to fix things completely and I’m not saying the Remain vote won’t be split, it will across both Lib and Lab, but Labour really had no choice. They’ll lose seats regardless of which side they take but staying in the middle isn’t going to make you and others choose them over the Brexit Party.

I also believe there are more labour voters who are remain so they risk more alienating us, should it come to a GE.
 
Ban-jani said:
Regardless of the outcome, they had no choice. They are falling fast in the polls and are behind Lib Dem. They have a membership that’s over 80% remain. It’s too late if anything.

I’m not saying it’s going to fix things completely and I’m not saying the Remain vote won’t be split, it will across both Lib and Lab, but Labour really had no choice. They’ll lose seats regardless of which side they take but staying in the middle isn’t going to make you and others choose them over the Brexit Party.

I also believe there are more labour voters who are remain so they risk more alienating us, should it come to a GE.
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Yeah agree with that.

labours only hope is that the brexit party and Tories tear each other apart and allow others to sneak into seats because of it.
 
blueinsa said:
The only remainers i see them picking up are those that have this last few months flirted with the Lib Dems.
Tories are predominately brexit voters and Brexit party certainly are.
I dont see what votes labour picks up from this announcement other than it appeases its membership and momentum and maintains remain labour support?
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Appeasing momentum is hardly likely to maintain support from traditional Labour voters.
 
Ban-jani said:
Regardless of the outcome, they had no choice. They are falling fast in the polls and are behind Lib Dem. They have a membership that’s over 80% remain. It’s too late if anything.

I’m not saying it’s going to fix things completely and I’m not saying the Remain vote won’t be split, it will across both Lib and Lab, but Labour really had no choice. They’ll lose seats regardless of which side they take but staying in the middle isn’t going to make you and others choose them over the Brexit Party.

I also believe there are more labour voters who are remain so they risk more alienating us, should it come to a GE.
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Not according to comres poll today

 
Ancient Citizen said:
So that's the Libs and Labour now backing remain, after remain lost the referendum.
That's an awful lot of voters given two fingers, but hey-ho.
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Nearly as many as May gave them to in her disastrous election campaign. Given the shifting demographics.
 
George Hannah said:
Former Labour General Secretary Lord Triesman has just resigned from the Labour Party over its institutional anti-semitism.
"In a letter to the Shadow Leader of the House of Lords, former General Secretary Lord Triesman said he had taken the "painful decision" to resign from the Labour whip with "immediate effect".
The Labour peer cited anti-Semitism had "become clearer in the top leadership" and the party's governing body, the National Executive Committee.
"Anti-Semites are shielded and solid and serious Party members are thrown out unceremoniously," his letter said.
"And each new manifestation is followed by a grim parade of social media messages directed as Jewish Party members."
The letter finished: "We may one day be the Party of anti-racism once again, but it certainly isn't today."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/labour-peer-quits-party-over-anti-semitism/
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He was a ****, they're well rid of him tbf.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Parliament voted to honour the result of the referendum, the last three years have not been about the result, but about the manner of our leaving.
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I believe the result of the referendum was that you'd leave the EU on far better terms than you have now and with FTAs signed with every country around the world. It's up to Farage and Johnson to deliver on that if either wins, otherwise they'll be competing with Cromwell and Falkes for a place in British History.
 
blueinsa said:
The figure is hard to come by and various polls suggests that the number of labour voters who voted to leave the EU probably sat between 3 and 4 million.

Not the 5 million as suggested by the tweet but a sizeable chunk of traditional Labour support who today have been pissed off by this news.

Can labour win a GE without them?

Not a chance.
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They'll get the 35% of Tory voters who voted to remain though and they'll be on the same side as the LDs and SNP.
 
Cheesy said:
I find it odd that this post has been ignored by the Labour supporters who are active in this thread.

Maybe they just haven't seen it yet.
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I saw it, I ignored it. Its not a subject I am abreast of, so see no value in adding anything to the debate.
 
aguero93:20 said:
They'll get the 35% of Tory voters who voted to remain though and they'll be on the same side as the LDs and SNP.
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35% of remain Tory voters will vote for Corbyn and a Labour Party ran by momentum?

Best of luck with that one.
 
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