Donald Trump

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Have you seen their deficit and national debt?

Must be nearly time for another country to experience "freedom".

 

[aguero93:20]

Not for a good while yet but Trump is crazy to increase the deficit at a time when all is apparently rosy in the garden. Anyone with half a brain would be running a surplus at this time but then he wouldn’t have reduced the tax burden on the ultra rich.

Yep. It's boom bust economics on cocaine.

 

[aguero93:20]

Must be nearly time for another country to experience "freedom".

Only if G4S extend their credit limit.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

All of this will be fine though because like it or not the American economy has grown for 121 months, that is the longest period of sustained growth since records began in 1854. The stock market has rose by 19% and in June alone there were 244,000 jobs created, that is twice as many as needed to keep up with the population growth of the workforce. Of course add in historically low levels of inflation and this gives Trump a certain latitude to behave as he does. As Clinton said, its the economy stupid and if a recession does not arrive before the next election, I am fairly sure that four more years of Trump will follow.

I think Trump is uncouth, a veritable racist and all round obnoxious ****, but his record on the economy so far is pretty good.

'His' record on the economy? Arguably he has been riding the coat tails of the previous administrations efforts on the economy.

This is the guy that spawned such financial disasters as Trump University, Trump Airlines, Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgages, Given that his business failures have an average lifespan of 4.6 years, it's not looking too rosy for the US economy as the debt spirals out of control.

 

[Mike D]

I acknowledge there are downsides, the fact so many are in work will cause wage pressures that can lead to inflation. Its also concerning only 11% of GDP is manufacturing and services are now 70% of output. We are mirroring them in that. The banks are well capitalised and the housing stock has fallen from 188% of GDP to 143% of GDP. Bond markets are alarmed though which is a traditional sign of an impending downturn and global trade chains are threatened by Trumps idiotic trade wars. Private debt remains at 250% of GDP which obviously is fragile, a sign of low interest rates which will not last forever. A rise in the rates could hit investment and then recession could follow.

In no way was I was supporting Trump, I was merely suggesting that the economic news is a cover for his misdemeanours. He gets away with being a **** because people have some spare dollars.

Unfortunately by the time the shit hits the fan Trump will be well gone and he knows it. As you say its bringing in that feel good factor of having a few extra dollars in your pocket that lets him get away with most of this racist shit. The only problem is that the US is to big to fail and anything that takes down the US economy like the sub prime did in 2008 will have repercussions around the globe.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Unfortunately by the time the shit hits the fan Trump will be well gone and he knows it. As you say its bringing in that feel good factor of having a few extra dollars in your pocket that lets him get away with most of this racist shit. The only problem is that the US is to big to fail and anything that takes down the US economy like the sub prime did in 2008 will have repercussions around the globe.

What most US voters don't seem to get is that Trumps top-end tax cuts put's more extra cash in the pockets of the top 1% than most people earn in a year.

 

[Mike D]

What most US voters don't seem to get is that Trumps top-end tax cuts put's more extra cash in the pockets of the top 1% than most people earn in a year.

True there's a lot of thick cunts in America

 

[Dax777]

What most US voters don't seem to get is that Trumps top-end tax cuts put's more extra cash in the pockets of the top 1% than most people earn in a year.

What makes you think people don't get that? How unintelligent do you suppose the average person is?

I mean the average footballer makes in a week more than most fans make in a year. Is it because fans don't get this disparity that they continue to patronize those playing a pointless game for more than their yearly salary in one week?

People are not stupid. And they don't need patronizing elitist liberals telling them what they do don't know. What is good or not good for them.

Let them decide what's best for them.

 

[buckshot]

What most US voters don't seem to get is that Trumps top-end tax cuts put's more extra cash in the pockets of the top 1% than most people earn in a year.

The GOP realizes that they can get away w/ anything as long as they stick to their racist message by continuing to stoke hatred and fear.

You don't make enough money? It's not because we vote to take away workers' rights and keep the minimum wage low, it's because of Mexicans.

You can't afford to pay your mortgage? It's not because we work for the lenders and allow their predatory practices, it's because of Muslims wanting to institute Sharia Law

You can't afford healthcare? It's not because we accept millions of dollars from pharmaceutical and insurance companies, it's because the Democrats are electing brown people

Oh and El Chapo was Barack Obama's best man and Hillary's emails are going to get us all killed.

 

[buckshot]

What makes you think people don't get that? How unintelligent do you suppose the average person is?

I mean the average footballer makes in a week more than most fans make in a year. Is it because fans don't get this disparity that they continue to patronize those playing a pointless game for more than their yearly salary in one week?

People are not stupid. And they don't need patronizing elitist liberals telling them what they do don't know. What is good or not good for them.

Let them decide what's best for them.

They absolutely don't get it. They believe their taxes went up under President Obama, they think Dumb Donald is passing laws that hurt him financially. They watch Fox News and believe everything they are told. They are stupid, stupid people.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

What makes you think people don't get that? How unintelligent do you suppose the average person is?

I mean the average footballer makes in a week more than most fans make in a year. Is it because fans don't get this disparity that they continue to patronize those playing a pointless game for more than their yearly salary in one week?

People are not stupid. And they don't need patronizing elitist liberals telling them what they do don't know. What is good or not good for them.

Let them decide what's best for them.

The right-wing media are literally brainwashing them into believing Trump is their saviour.

Trump isn't looking out for anyone but himself and his rich friends/donors. It's all quid pro quo with Tump. Everything is transactional.

With the average low paid, low educated voter the transaction is empowerment. He plays to their bigoted views, and they vote for him in return.

 

[Dax777]

They absolutely don't get it. They believe their taxes went up under President Obama, they think Dumb Donald is passing laws that hurt him financially. They watch Fox News and believe everything they are told. They are stupid, stupid people.

No. You think that. They don't. They don't spend their time worrying about other people's money. They are trying to survive, grow small businesses, raise a family, help their community and more.

They don't spend much of their time pontificating about the conspiratorial views of any news agency. And sure while that includes Fox, it also includes MSNBC, CNN, the Guardian, BBC and any other of the one sided curated for the masses nonsense.


And just for the record, a lot of them had their taxes go up under Obama. Or to put it more accurately, their taxes went down under Trump.

Even the so called intellectual professional's. Side story a few months back and Anaesthesiologist friend of mine called me up worried the IRS might come after her coz she got a 43000 tax return.

Even I thought nah, it has to be an error. So I helped her look through it and it seemed right. Called the IRS just to make sure. They sent her a letter later explaining the return. In short it was a mixture of her overwitholding and Trump cuts. She loved it. Still hates him though and will be voting against him next year. Especially if the Dems nominate a woman or a person of color. To which I nodded cool.

Working against one's self interest isn't limited to the uneducated. The elite are even worse.

 

[Blue Hefner]

TO be honest. If anyone cares about their lower personal tax rate at the expense of a crowd chanting "send them back" then that person is a ****, as far as I am concerned

 

[Dax777]

The right-wing media are literally brainwashing them into believing Trump is their saviour.

Trump isn't looking out for anyone but himself and his rich friends/donors. It's all quid pro quo with Tump. Everything is transactional.

With the average low paid, low educated voter the transaction is empowerment. He plays to their bigoted views, and they vote for him in return.

Yes! But the bolded is not a brainwash. Lol

You say it like there'd ever been a group of politicians who aren't predominantly self interested. There has yet to be passed in the last 40 years, a tax law that didn't favor the Rich.

The real trick is to pretend they are taxing the rich while writing in loop holes everywhere. You know what I say? Forget taxing the Super Rich, I don't care. Just keep my taxes low. If the rich get low taxes because of that too, then so be it.

Only those who know little about tax law think raising tax rates increase the taxes on the rich. It doesn't.

 

[BrianW]

What amazes me is not that Trump is a racist twunt of the first order, but that so many of the people who not only follow, but adore, him claim to be "Christians". Either there is another Bible I haven't read, or they're about as Christian as Pol Pot.

In fact, them claiming to be "Christians" is enough to make you an atheist.

 

[Dax777]

TO be honest. If anyone cares about their lower personal tax rate at the expense of a crowd chanting "send them back" then that person is a ****, as far as I am concerned

That's a false dichotomy. It's not either or. The average American wants their taxes lower. That doesn't need or require Trump. All you have to do is get someone else who'd keep his tax promise but not his uncouth behavior.

But if you think you are going to backdoor your way into some unpopular tax burdening government by pointing out 'oh but he is such a terrible person.' Then you have another thing coming.

Anyone who'd try to backdoor their policies by using a bait and switch is an even bigger **** as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

That's a false dichotomy. It's not either or. The average American wants their taxes lower. That doesn't need or require Trump. All you have to do is get someone else who'd keep his tax promise but not his uncouth behavior.

But if you think you are going to backdoor your way into some unpopular tax burdening government by pointing out 'oh but he is such a terrible person.' Then you have another thing coming.

Anyone who'd try to backdoor their policies by using a bait and switch is an even bigger **** as far as I'm concerned.

I'm beginning to think you are a Trump voter.

 

[Blue Hefner]

That's a false dichotomy. It's not either or. The average American wants their taxes lower. That doesn't need or require Trump. All you have to do is get someone else who'd keep his tax promise but not his uncouth behavior.

But if you think you are going to backdoor your way into some unpopular tax burdening government by pointing out 'oh but he is such a terrible person.' Then you have another thing coming.

Anyone who'd try to backdoor their policies by using a bait and switch is an even bigger **** as far as I'm concerned.

I want lower taxes, but not at the expense of having a racist, potentially mentally ill, Prime Minister

 

[Dax777]

What amazes me is not that Trump is a racist twunt of the first order, but that so many of the people who not only follow, but adore, him claim to be "Christians". Either there is another Bible I haven't read, or they're about as Christian as Pol Pot.

In fact, them claiming to be "Christians" is enough to make you an atheist.

Well I am an atheist. But has little to do with Christians being self serving. Humans are generally so that's not surprising. The reasons why Evangelicsl Christians support him have little to do with him and everything to do with his policies. They are in line with theirs. Even if he is not.

Christianity like any religion is circular in it's reasoning. You can find information to justify anything. I mean Evangelicals hate gays, yet if they find they have a gay Pastor who is sleeping with men, they pray for him and back him. They consider it a human failing that needs prayers. So long as that is going on, they are good.

Take that and substitute Trump for Closeted Gay Pastor and you can follow the same line of reasoning.

 

[Dax777]

I'm beginning to think you are a Trump voter.

Not really. But it won't be the first time I get accused of being a closet Trumper. The problem here ( or in real life living in New York) is that there is group think. Everyone has a liberal intellectual bent. It's a pile on of self aggrandizing commentary on 'how much better we are than these dumb, self hating, uncaring, racist loving backward cunts." Nauseating stuff really. Only if many were to be self reflective.