Indeed. But the issue there of course is that the UK have voted to leave. NI of course voted in itself to remain I think? If this is correct then a united Ireland which is an EU nation independent of the UK would also solve the problem. Like Revoking A50 this may also meet with some opposition though ;-)Revoking A50 would achieve that.
here's some of it - sadly not the most interesting partBBC I player won’t play in Ireland but I read the article.
Good luck with that.
I agree with Neale Richmond. Pie in the sky. Ireland won’t be joining the UK in anything.
It’s even less likely than NI joining Ireland in a new zone aligned to the EU standards and the border down the Irish sea.
I think you’ll find the attitude here would be, this is your mess, don’t expect us to change our arrangements with the EU to help you out of it.
Scotland will break away from the Union before you’ll ever see a 32 county Ireland.Indeed. But the issue there of course is that the UK have voted to leave. NI of course voted in itself to remain I think? If this is correct then a united Ireland which is an EU nation independent of the UK would also solve the problem. Like Revoking A50 this may allotment with some opposition though ;-)
Sadly from what I can tell there seems to be a desire in many quarters to make brexit a problem for the border/gfa and even citizenship. I've not seen anything concrete that couldn't be resolved with a little good will/ political will from all. It would take work, but it's a piece of piss compared to what was achieved in terms of establishing the gfa.Scotland will break away from the Union before you’ll ever see a 32 county Ireland.
IMO even with a majority vote both sides of the border there would be trouble up North.
I don’t see there being a majority up north though anyway.
The dual citizenship and the aspirations of all to be either is the beauty of the working relationship in the GFA. I’d hate to see anything fnck with that in my remaining lifetime.
Ha, I’m sure the DUP that are currently propping up the government would be fine with this!Indeed. But the issue there of course is that the UK have voted to leave. NI of course voted in itself to remain I think? If this is correct then a united Ireland which is an EU nation independent of the UK would also solve the problem. Like Revoking A50 this may also meet with some opposition though ;-)
It’s OK, because a separate economic forecast three years ago turned out to be wrong so I think we can safely discount this.No one has even thought it necessary to discuss one of the major stories of the day. Probably just project fear. It's not even the worst case scenario.
No-deal Brexit could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
It’s OK, because a separate economic forecast three years ago turned out to be wrong so I think we can safely discount this.
That's true, but I find it folly that you didn't mention Mervin King in your reply.
It's interesting to me that the most vocal Brexiteers seem to be more and more quiet as piece by piece, it dawns on us that leaving now is an act of masochism.
A £30bn hit to the economy is a small price to pay for blue passports, being allowed to use Sterling again (control of our money), and freedom from imaginary EU regulations made up by Boris Fucking Johnson.No one has even thought it necessary to discuss one of the major stories of the day. Probably just project fear. It's not even the worst case scenario.
No-deal Brexit could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
I think most have gone quiet because it's not happening in the foreseeable, and everything that there is to say has been said. The most vocal loons on either end of the debate tend to make outlandish claims that don't survive examination and let's face it not many minds on either side are likely to be changed. It's always nice when a recent convert to either remain or leave is wheeled out like a 90 yr old 40-a-day smoker to 'prove' a point. All we know for sure is that the claims made by both sides in the run up to the referendum were a bit rubbish and it looks like the best lies won.That's true, but I find it folly that you didn't mention Mervin King in your reply.
It's interesting to me that the most vocal Brexiteers seem to be more and more quiet as piece by piece, it dawns on us that leaving now is an act of masochism.
That’s fine. If It means they don’t get the 39 billions so we’re 9 billions better off. Winner.No one has even thought it necessary to discuss one of the major stories of the day. Probably just project fear. It's not even the worst case scenario.
No-deal Brexit could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
A £30bn hit to the economy is a small price to pay for blue passports, being allowed to use Sterling again (control of our money), and freedom from imaginary EU regulations made up by Boris Fucking Johnson.
That’s fine. If It means they don’t get the 39 billions so we’re 9 billions better off. Winner.
I think most have gone quiet because it's not happening in the foreseeable, and everything that there is to say has been said. The most vocal loons on either end of the debate tend to make outlandish claims that don't survive examination and let's face it not many minds on either side are likely to be changed. It's always nice when a recent convert to either remain or leave is wheeled out like a 90 yr old 40-a-day smoker to 'prove' a point. All we know for sure is that the claims made by both sides in the run up to the referendum were a bit rubbish and it looks like the best lies won.
The oap death-rate will probably do it, although the Australians think this will do away with the queen, only to find that as the next generation gets old they become the same. Sadly, the level of debate has forced people into either end of the argument with a huge vacuum in the middle where the vast majority of folk in such a narrow vote probably lie. Both the remain and leave campaigners largely play to their established and safe audience with nothing to generate converts. The nearest either side have come is with attempts to either generate fear of leaving or demonise the EU.Whilst I agree partially, it's becoming more and more apparent that the only thing that Brexit delivers is us leaving the EU. The rest of what was sold was a lie.
I wonder at what point that the majority will deem it too much of a lie for the balance to tip in the media to remain. I don't think it's too far away.
I suppose you want us to default on international treaties (which is a chunk of the £39bn) but that's a one-off and the effects of Brexit are permanent. It's £30bn a year extra we'd be borrowing.That’s fine. If It means they don’t get the 39 billions so we’re 9 billions better off. Winner.
The oap death-rate will probably do it, although the Australians think this will do away with the queen, only to find that as the next generation gets old they become the same. Sadly, the level of debate has forced people into either end of the argument with a huge vacuum in the middle where the vast majority of folk in such a narrow vote probably lie. Both the remain and leave campaigners largely play to their established and safe audience with nothing to generate converts. The nearest either side have come is with attempts to either generate fear of leaving or demonise the EU.
I've been watching a lot of debates from the early 70's (tons on youtube) prior to the first referendum, and although the issues are actually very similar the level of debate and the quality of political minds is miles ahead of todays tabloid/twitter fodder. This personally bothers me more than leaving or remaining as I feel politics has become a big brother or strictly come dancing style vote-off, with debate reduced to calling each other names and generally playing the man rather than the ball.
Absolutely. I'm one of the few people it seems that doesn't know everything there is to know about this. Maybe I'm ignorant, maybe honest, maybe a little of both. I actually think Davis is one of the more genuine and capable brexiteers and it's a shame he went.
There was no mention of no deal. Given that the legal way to leave was under Article 50 which gave two years to do a deal, the presumption must be that Leave involved a deal (and it's been asked before - give us a quote from any prominent Leaver that there would not be a deal).I see preparation for deal, no deal, and indeed remain as a basic responsibility of the civil service / govt prior, during and after the vote. I'm sure most of us in our daily work and domestic lives have to do contingency planning - it's a big part of adulthood. I respect your point regarding the difficulty of no deal and the leave campaign, but you seem to be making an assumption regarding brexit that all or a majority voters were motivated by a deal. There was no mention of any deal on the ballot paper.