Another new Brexit thread

[blueparrot]

Why wouldn't they? If American, Brazilian or French farmers are having a 40% tariff added onto their beef and Irish beef is entering the UK tariff free with no trade deal in place, why wouldn't there be pressure on their governments to take action?

They'd be negligent if they didn't.

 

[aguero93:20]

Strange why people are in such an uproar about BoJo then, isn't it.

I just think it's hilarious that you're stuck with him tbf. I'll worry about him when he wins a GE and I've more faith in the British than that.

 

[mcfc1632]

As is the backstop.

I have previously agreed that

If the WA is signed off I will be gutted but accept it as a consequence of our shit negotiations

Most important thing is for all to firstly accept that the mandate is to leave

The rest is indeed consequences

 

[Metal Biker]

You'll see. At best you'll start seeing retaliatory tariffs.

Yes, we will.

 

[aguero93:20]

Yes, we will.

Which at the end of the day, will be paid by British exporters and the cost will be passed to their workers. Just as the basic British consumer will shoulder the increased cost of everyday goods caused by incoming tariffs. Which will conveniently fund tax cuts for the richest as the **** has proposed today. Congrats.

 

[Metal Biker]

I have previously agreed that

If the WA is signed off I will be gutted but accept y has a consequence of our shit negotiations

Most important thing is for all to firstly accept that the mandate is to leave

The rest is indeed consequences

I was only concerned that the NI would have seen themselves as not officially part of the UK Union anymore, which would anger many.

But supposedly people in NI are perfectly accepting of the WA and the backstop, since our loyal friends in Ireland and the EU would never wish for it to be imposed anyway. What'll it ruin, the Government's partnership with the DUP and a possible end to the current Tory Government as a majority in the HoC?

I'm fine with that.

 

[Metal Biker]

Which at the end of the day, will be paid by British exporters and the cost will be passed to their workers. Just as the basic British consumer will shoulder the increased cost of everyday goods caused by incoming tariffs. Which will conveniently fund tax cuts for the richest as the **** has proposed today. Congrats.

I'm prepared and accepting of that, speaking as someone earning less than £12,000 a year.

Goods arriving via fume producing, climate change affecting means, maybe we should all learn to embrace a new culture of homegrown products than exports and imports, until we can find a greener method of exporting these 'valuable' goods.

 

[aguero93:20]

I'm prepared and accepting of that, speaking as someone earning less than £12,000 a year.

Goods arriving via fume producing, climate change affecting means, maybe we should all learn to embrace a new culture of homegrown products than exports and imports, until we can find a greener method of exporting these 'valuable' goods.

And the only bodies capable of enforcing climate change regulations on transnational bodies are supranational bodies like the EU and US, the UK are far too small to do it on their own. They'll just do as Dyson did.

 

[Metal Biker]

And the only bodies capable of enforcing climate change regulations on transnational bodies are supranational bodies like the EU and US, the UK are far too small to do it on their own. They'll just do as Dyson did.

We will?

 

[Vic]

....No-one on the remain side is arguing on foreign interference from their side, eg, Obama standing on a platform and threatening bad consequences if we voted to leave. The current president has promised the reverse so Obamas words clearly may not be true....

You believe Trump rather than Obama?

 

[aguero93:20]

We will?

Yep. Once on your own you won't be listened to by the largest corporations and the biggest offenders. Hell, we can't talk to our own agricultural sector about sensible reductions of emissions without the EU backing us on it and threatening them.

 

[Vic]

Which we keep, since we helped to write those regulations.

Leaving the EU doesn't mean abandoning the regulations we implemented.

Hang on. All those articles from Boris in Brussels about daft EU regulations and they were ours all along?

 

[Vic]

Labour gains power and wants to implement its manifesto promise of the re-nationalisation of the railways and utilities etc and half the cabinet says they are not really in favour.

What do you think will happen to those cabinet members?

What do you think will be said to those in society that dont agree with it?

Come on Bob you are better than this mate.

Er - manifesto promise is the clue. The Tory manifesto promise was to leave on 29 March, so already breached. There is No Mandate for No Deal.

 

[Ban-jani]

Really? I could say the same, because you clearly aren't listening to what point i'm making. And when you start with shit like that, you just piss people off.

WTO have stated, in the link I provided, they see no reason why they would have any involvement in the border issue. Nobody, even with no deal, has made any claim of potentially suing the UK if the UK imposes no border between Ire/NI. Now are you going to debate respectfully or are we done here?

Yes and both myself and the other poster have pointed out why you’re wrong. I’ve told you that WTO don’t enforce borders and it’s up to a legal challenge once we’ve treated someone differently, dozens of times.

I’ve told you that countries don’t threaten to sue before agreements have been made or well before their trade agreements have even entered negotiations.

It’s like the business I work for telling someone we don’t yet work with, but would like to, that we’re going to sue them if they fall foul of, let’s just say for example, GDPR, before we’ve even approached them for a proposal of business.

It’d be a ridiculous way to conduct business and it’s living in cloud cuckoo land to use it as a point.

 

[Ban-jani]

I await their lawsuit announcement, then.

Which will never come, by the way, just as it hasn't so far.

Oh my god haha.

We’ve not even signed the Withdrawal Agreement yet, never mind entered into trade agreements elsewhere.

Why in God’s name would there be a lawsuit now!?

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

I'll be doing just that next week mate on my 'tour of Ireland'. Belfast - Kilkenny - Cork - Killarney - Dingle - Spanish Point - Westport - Leitrim Village and Carrick on Shannon - Belfast. Will I be welcome as a (scottish) Brit do you think? My wife is 100% Irish 2 generations back - unfortunately one generation too little for an Irish/EU passport!

Thats a lovely trip to go on, i can only vouch for Belfast, but you'll certainly be welcome here....but im pretty sure you'll be welcomed wherever you go :-)

 

[BobKowalski]

Fascinating to see how different parts of the U.K. are primed for conflict via the same media...and we wonder how we got into this mess.

 

[aguero93:20]

Fascinating to see how different parts of the U.K. are primed for conflict via the same media...and we wonder how we got into this mess.

The Irish edition is actually ROI afaik, the North either get the English or Irish version.

 

[aguero93:20]

Fascinating to see how different parts of the U.K. are primed for conflict via the same media...and we wonder how we got into this mess.

Actually proves a point I made a while back that the likes of the s*n and mail would never dare to print the stuff they do in the UK here, they lack the courage of their convictions.

 

[blueinsa]

Er - manifesto promise is the clue. The Tory manifesto promise was to leave on 29 March, so already breached. There is No Mandate for No Deal.

We are not planning on leaving with a no deal.