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The obvious answer to all all those ridiculous posts about the EU/US trade is that the EU is a much stronger body from the perspective of market, organisation, ideology and general competence than the UK on its own

In addition, no-deal doesn’t matter as they would both merely fall back on existing arrangements, something that does not apply to the current UK/EU negotiations
 
Blue Hefner said:
The obvious answer to all all those ridiculous posts about the EU/US trade is that the EU is a much stronger body from the perspective of market, organisation, ideology and general competence than the UK on its own

In addition, no-deal doesn’t matter as they would both merely fall back on existing arrangements, something that does not apply to the current UK/EU negotiations
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US is still bigger than the EU by a huge margin, hence why the EU wants to secure a deal, and fuck it's members intetests and concerns. UK being in the EU would have no affect on stopping anything like what TTIP dreamed up. The US insisted that all public amenities in Europe were available to their investment, including the UK's NHS. That's why the TTIP received such a negative backlash from people in this country. We, the UK, had NO say in how TTIP played out until we got enough EU members to support us. Had we not, the NHS would already be in US private hands.

Brexit though? "Oh so awful they would consider it". EU does it, totally forgotten by remainers. There are TWO EU's; the actual EU member nations and the legislative EU in Brussels, and both are at odds with each other, hence the desire for reforms.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
US is still bigger than the EU by a huge margin, hence why the EU wants to secure a deal, and fuck it's members intetests and concerns. UK being in the EU would have no affect on stopping anything like what TTIP dreamed up. The US insisted that all public amenities in Europe were available to their investment, including the UK's NHS. That's why the TTIP received such a negative backlash from people in this country. We, the UK, had NO say in how TTIP played out until we got enough EU members to support us. Had we not, the NHS would already be in US private hands.

Brexit though? "Oh so awful they would consider it". EU does it, totally forgotten by remainers. There are TWO EU's; the actual EU member nations and the legislative EU in Brussels, and both are at odds with each other, hence the desire for reforms.
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No it isn’t. The economies are broadly similar in size and the EU is a much bigger market. TTIP was canned by the EU. You really don’t know much do you.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
You might be correct, but you are confusing thinking something with knowing something. The reality is that unless you go scurrying off to Google I doubt you currently know anything about either the prospects for a US/EU or US/UK deal.
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I never said I did know about the prospects. I simply pointed out that they would be very different to each other. My opinion of course but it’s bleeding obvious if you think about it.
 
I know it’s warm today and it’s been glorious a good end to a lovely day would be lancs smashing the yorkies this evening. However I think the swingometer has shifted and there are a few a bit annoyed on here

We now have an optimistic determined pm determined to deliver brexit

He has assembled a brexit cabinet who will support that aim

He has absolutely smashed Corbyn today at the despatch box

Corbyn and labour have formally come out as remain and they will split their vote with the Lib Dem’s in a GE.

Hardened labour leave voters will jump ship to Boris or bp.

His noises about no deal seem stronger and so hopefully the eu will take it seriously this time

There seems to be some noises around solutions to Ireland

I am for a long time quietly confident it could happen
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I know it’s warm today and it’s been glorious a good end to a lovely day would be lancs smashing the yorkies this evening. However I think the swingometer has shifted and there are a few a bit annoyed on here

We now have an optimistic determined pm determined to deliver brexit

He has assembled a brexit cabinet who will support that aim

He has absolutely smashed Corbyn today at the despatch box

Corbyn and labour have formally come out as remain and they will split their vote with the Lib Dem’s in a GE.

Hardened labour leave voters will jump ship to Boris or bp.

His noises about no deal seem stronger and so hopefully the eu will take it seriously this time

There seems to be some noises around solutions to Ireland

I am for a long time quietly confident it could happen
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I get the feeling that the 4 way split has become a 2 way split in regards to brexit; those in favour of leaving, anf those against. The question of "how" is seemingly being consigned to history. Back it or sack it appears to be the way forward.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
My main issue with the WA was that it was seen as having NI no longer part of the UK union by proxy and how the people of NI would react to it.

But you're saying most are in favour of such a backstop reality occuring in the event of no deal being agreed.
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My problem with the WA is that it hamstrings the UK for decades to come and makes us subservient to the machinations of the EU and their lackeys
 
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lancs blue said:
Expect a run on repeat prescriptions in the next couple of months, the deadline for settling a no-deal medicine transport contract has been put back to 24th October. Plenty of contingency time there...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49114667
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Went to the pharmacy to pick up my Mrs repeat prescription yesterday .... two items not available and no idea when they'll be in . Advice given was to try another chemists.
 
bugsyblue said:
Out of interest, is there anyone who has "switched sides" on Brexit? Anyone who voted for one thing but now believes in the other? I find most folk are very stubborn in their mindset (leave & remain) despite recent revelations and the the knowledge on the subject that might have been acquired since the vote.
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I voted remain. I haven’t changed my mind on that but believe that the best solution, given where we are, would be to leave without a second referendum on the softest possible terms eg “Norway for now”. But I don’t think there’s any possibility of that happening.
 
bugsyblue said:
Out of interest, is there anyone who has "switched sides" on Brexit? Anyone who voted for one thing but now believes in the other? I find most folk are very stubborn in their mindset (leave & remain) despite recent revelations and the the knowledge on the subject that might have been acquired since the vote.
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From my reading of it as somebody who is Brexit neutral (I abstained), the sides have become more entrenched, more vitriolic, more ridiculous and more extreme.

Common sense no longer matters, rational debate no longer exists and compromise is looking impossible. Both sides are as guilty of this as the other side and some of the language used is plainly fucking embarrassing. Leavers harangued as fascists, remain voters dismissed as traitors, idiots claiming to be patriots and fools claiming to be the voice of reason.

Without meaning to favour one side over another, this started when as a nation, experts were dismissed as being useless and biased. Instead of expert opinion we rely on hyperbole, fear and thoughtlessness, unicorns and personalities. If you are not a true believer in either sides cause you are cast asunder and dismissed as anything from a reprobate to a racist, from a maniac to a Marxist and Nationalist to a nutter.

The level of political discourse in this nation has never plummeted such depths before and sadly I only see it as getting worse. A good friend of mine said to me a few years ago he can see this ending in civil war and I laughed at him, I don't laugh anymore.
 
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