Away tickets

OB1 said:
Wrong.

I have no problem not going to Anfield: my car would get wrecked if I parked it near there, given my number plate.

I'd like to be able to go to the odd league game at the Swamp as I've not been to one for many years; having once been someone who never missed a Derby.

However, it's games like West Ham and Bournemouth that trouble me. WHU will be third year in a row I've had to sit with the Hammers' fans. Bournemouth is an absolute no hoper yet it's a decent journey for me.

Watford is probably nearest away ground to me but I've had to sit with home supporters in last two seasons. Last two league games at WBA, I've sat with their supporters.

Thank goodness Our Kid knows some Brighton season ticket holders.
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All your posts are just a howl of frustration. It's so unfair.

They are devoid of any objectivity or logic.

You don't have enough points. Tough. The new 'fairer system' does fuck all to help you.
 
liamctid said:
Which is why they've stopped calling them loyalty points and they're now just ticket points.

This thread will keep going round and round in circles but it will always come back to the following:

We have had a system in place for almost 20 years
There are around 700 people who are top of the tree
Most seasons we have at least 7 or 8 league games that go to general sale
The only time people with lesser points feel that "the system doesn't work" is when they cannot get a ticket for Old Trafford/Anfield/cup game with small allocation.
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Not strictly true mate as I qualified for every game last season, but still think the system was flawed.

I always found it weird that having qualified for Bournemouth, United and Liverpool, I was then rewarded with more loyalty points, which pushed me even further ahead of those who hadn’t

However, my main gripe has always been the Old Trafford derby, when I regularly find myself surrounded by people who are never visible at other away games.

The most noticeable was the 2-1 night match in 2013 when I was on the same row as 8 French speaking tourists, all wearing half n half carves.

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M18CTID said:
I'd say that while that's generally correct it's not quite as simple as that, and the definition of a points whore for me would be someone who does what you've described all the time for pretty much every away match. I don't think it's fair to group someone in the points whore category who goes to the vast majority of away games they apply for but every now and then helps a mate out for a game that they themselves are missing. I remember there was outrage on here from certain posters when a hugely in-demand European away game sold out at high points. I think it was Barcelona first time round in 2014. I couldn't afford to go to that one but a lot of my ticketless mates were on it. I let one of them get a ticket on my seasoncard and there were posters saying that anyone helping their mates out was out of order (because of course none of those posters would ever accept a ticket off a mate would they?). Personally, I think anyone refusing to help a mate out in that situation is a bigger c*nt!
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I was in the neutral / Barca end for that game.


I’ve not got a problem with either definition. Neither have I got a problem with a Blue being a few points short for a rags away or (one day) a Champs League Final Ticket accepting a bit of help off a mate. I would take the ticket all day long.
 
liamctid said:
Which is why they've stopped calling them loyalty points and they're now just ticket points.

This thread will keep going round and round in circles but it will always come back to the following:

We have had a system in place for almost 20 years
There are around 700 people who are top of the tree
Most seasons we have at least 7 or 8 league games that go to general sale
The only time people with lesser points feel that "the system doesn't work" is when they cannot get a ticket for Old Trafford/Anfield/cup game with small allocation.
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How many people who say they can't get ticket went to Newcastle, Bournemouth, spurs,all night matches, and did not sell out ?
 
OB1 said:
Wrong.

I have no problem not going to Anfield: my car would get wrecked if I parked it near there, given my number plate.

I'd like to be able to go to the odd league game at the Swamp as I've not been to one for many years; having once been someone who never missed a Derby.

However, it's games like West Ham and Bournemouth that trouble me. WHU will be third year in a row I've had to sit with the Hammers' fans. Bournemouth is an absolute no hoper yet it's a decent journey for me.

Watford is probably nearest away ground to me but I've had to sit with home supporters in last two seasons. Last two league games at WBA, I've sat with their supporters.

Thank goodness Our Kid knows some Brighton season ticket holders.
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Fair enough mate, as a former "out of towner" myself I get that but generally if you asked people "would you want the points system to change purely so you had a better chance of getting a ticket for West Ham away?" I don't think the answer would be a resounding yes.
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
Not strictly true mate as I qualified for every game last season, but still think the system was flawed.

I always found it weird that having qualified for Bournemouth, United and Liverpool, I was then rewarded with more loyalty points, which pushed me even further ahead of those who hadn’t

However, my main gripe has always been the Old Trafford derby, when I regularly find myself surrounded by people who are never visible at other away games.

The most noticeable was the 2-1 night match in 2013 when I was on the same row as 8 French speaking tourists, all wearing half n half carves.

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No I get that, which is why going back over 10 years ago you used to only get 10 points for Old Trafford but used to get 40 points for Charlton away for example.

You must have been unlucky for the 2-1 game as my memory of that was it was one of the best ends we've had at Old Trafford in my years of going.
 
M18CTID said:
Did United have their fans collecting from the opposing team's ticket office though, or was it from a location nearby?
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Not sure but if clubs won’t let city do it they will do it near by. They already use other clubs ticket office to collect duplicate tickets so I wouldn’t see a problem adding another 30 or so people onto the list
 
The 2-1 was a great night. The rag stewards had to push us out 30mins after the final whistle because we couldn’t stop celebrating.
 
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Give points for games that go on general sale that way if you move ahead of someone they’ve no one to blame but themselves
 
GortonBlue62 said:
All your posts are just a howl of frustration. It's so unfair.

They are devoid of any objectivity or logic.

You don't have enough points. Tough. The new 'fairer system' does fuck all to help you.
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Yeah, yeah. Poor, poor pitiful me!

I can only talk to the specifics that apply to me. I don't think the system is fair to far more people that you think it is fair to. The question is who has a more objective view of fair.

The very latest system is no better because it just cements things for the minority.

It's become something akin to a monopoly or oligopoly.
 
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liamctid said:
Fair enough mate, as a former "out of towner" myself I get that but generally if you asked people "would you want the points system to change purely so you had a better chance of getting a ticket for West Ham away?" I don't think the answer would be a resounding yes.
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I'm not an out of towner: I'm a Manc in exile ;-)
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I did you the courtesy of responding to what I thought was a genuine post. Why behave like a shithouse?
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It was a genuine post and a genuine reply although I will accept your apology. The issue is that everyone talks about points whores but do people genuinely think there are individual fans who decide to buy an away ticket just for the points so they have enough to go to the derby or Klanfield? It's just a non starter. I will admit I have in the past occasionally bought a ticket for mates who have asked if I am not going can I sort them out - these are usually the ones that go very low in points - and occasionally I have had a spare ticket due to my son's arrangements changing near to match day. Does that make me a whore or my son? I don't think so. I know of one blue on here who went to what I suspect is 90% of all away games last year and he bought his ticket off here pretty much every time. Is everyone who helped him out a whore as well. However it appears that the sources that are regularly abused are by the supporter branches and by the corporates yet nobody bats an eyelid hence my comment. I for one think that the points whore is a myth although it appears I may be in the minority.
 
Corky said:
I thought the fans going home and away in the 70s were the older fans who the younger fans feel disadvantahed by. Can't have it both ways. I started in the 70s and am in he same boat, was told well in advance of the change of system, and teh writing was on the wall in 1999 with stubs being counted, I don't expect more points for before 1998 when the system gives credit for in some ways. I do not expect credit for the friendlies that were not counted on the system before around 2007, as that was the rules.

Well into the points system we could't fill out Anfield, and were 1000 short for Goodison, 3k short away at wigan, but the same fans who went in the post violence era were still there.
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Putting some context on the Wigan game, wasn't that the one that was boycotted due to the huge rise in prices? Well short of selling out places like Villa Park, Highbury, WHL etc as well IIRC
 
Eds said:
It was a genuine post and a genuine reply although I will accept your apology. The issue is that everyone talks about points whores but do people genuinely think there are individual fans who decide to buy an away ticket just for the points so they have enough to go to the derby or Klanfield? It's just a non starter. I will admit I have in the past occasionally bought a ticket for mates who have asked if I am not going can I sort them out - these are usually the ones that go very low in points - and occasionally I have had a spare ticket due to my son's arrangements changing near to match day. Does that make me a whore or my son? I don't think so. I know of one blue on here who went to what I suspect is 90% of all away games last year and he bought his ticket off here pretty much every time. Is everyone who helped him out a whore as well. However it appears that the sources that are regularly abused are by the supporter branches and by the corporates yet nobody bats an eyelid hence my comment. I for one think that the points whore is a myth although it appears I may be in the minority.
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There are a few posters on here (including a Legend of this Forum) who buy spares to make them available to other lifelong Blues at face value. In doing so, they eliminate the risk of the tickets ending up with touts. That might be how your mate got some of his tickets. They are at the opposite end of spectrum to the small minority of “points whores”

Everyone knows on this Forum that I’m happy to discuss Supporters Club issues but those threads always get pulled so I don’t intend to get into a debate that would derail this thread.
 
Eds said:
Putting some context on the Wigan game, wasn't that the one that was boycotted due to the huge rise in prices? Well short of selling out places like Villa Park, Highbury, WHL etc as well IIRC
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Thought that was Bolton could be wrong tho
 
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