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aguero93:20 said:
Why doesn't the UK promote the euro though. Surely it's in their interests as an EU member? Oh wait, it isn't, it's a competing currency and they'd have to be fucking mad to support it, just as the Danes or eurozone countries would be to support Sterling. It's like saying you should buy rag merchandise a it'll promote Manchester.
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Because the UK is not the EU.

That's twice i've had to say it now, and that's not what i'm getting at at all. Again it's just more "European imperialism" talk coming from you. How has the EU helped support the Pound and the Krone as well as the Euro?
 
blueinsa said:
Maybe because countries had run out of Euro’s and needed some British pounds?
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Or because some of your banks were operating in those countries (RBS in particular) and it was a politically expedient and indirect way of bailing them out without having to admit to it.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Because the UK is not the EU.

That's twice i've had to say it now, and that's not what i'm getting at at all. Again it's just more "European imperialism" talk coming from you. How has the EU helped support the Pound and the Krone as well as the Euro?
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No, the UK is part of the EU. The eurozone is part of the EU. The EU doesn't promote the euro, the eurozone does.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
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Well, should we ever get to a stand-off between government and Parliament, I would not expect the monarch to side with a Prime Minister who could not command a majority.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Or because some of your banks were operating in those countries (RBS in particular) and it was a politically expedient and indirect way of bailing them out without having to admit to it.
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We are big enough to bail our own banks out mate if needed.

No running cap in hand from us.
 
mcfc1632 said:
The WA or no deal are simply consequences - the mandate is clearly to leave
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Not without a deal. No-one has risen to the challenge of citing one prominent Leave campaigner who advocated leaving without a deal.
 
blueinsa said:
We are big enough to bail our own banks out mate if needed.

No running cap in hand from us.
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Yeah, you could have. The Tories didn't want to be seen doing it though as it would have hurt your reputation and damaged the value of Sterling.
 
west didsblue said:
Maybe you should accept that it's a consequence of any version of Brexit that does not include a customs union.
Because it is.
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Nope

Just think you keep confirming that you are hopelessly wrong

Best let it go mate--but feel free to have the last word as I think that you need that
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Oh for goodness sake...

What is the currency of the EU?
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There is no "currency of the EU". There are several currencies of the EU. The Euro is the currency of those countries in the EU that use it.

Not the answer you wanted, I guess.
 
aguero93:20 said:
You've said it yourself, it has 11 different currencies, controlled by 11 different central banks and those currencies are only the business of those that use them.
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Precisely. So what did Cameron want in the reforms?

"An explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not materially disadvantaged. He also wanted safeguards that steps to further financial union cannot be imposed on non-eurozone members and the UK will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts."

"Measures, the purpose of which is to further deepen the economic and monetary union, will be voluntary for member states whose currency is not the euro.
"Mutual respect between member states participating or not in the operation of the euro area will be ensured.
"Legal acts... [between eurozone countries] shall respect the internal market."

"But Mr Cameron ran into unexpectedly firm resistance from France on financial regulation. The French wanted to underline was that Britain would not win any "exceptions to the rules of the EU" - particularly in relation to regulation in the City - hence the addition of the "level playing field" line. Mr Cameron got his explicit recognition that the EU has more than one currency - but it does not go as far mandating "multiple currencies".

Now what about any of that says "immigration" to you?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yeah, you could have. The Tories didn't want to be seen doing it though as it would have hurt your reputation and damaged the value of Sterling.
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All this because we bailed countries out that had run out of Euro’s.

Relax, we don’t mind helping.

A bit of thanks now and then would be nice though.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Precisely. So what did Cameron want in the reforms?

"An explicit recognition that the euro is not the only currency of the European Union, to ensure countries outside the eurozone are not materially disadvantaged. He also wanted safeguards that steps to further financial union cannot be imposed on non-eurozone members and the UK will not have to contribute to eurozone bailouts."

"Measures, the purpose of which is to further deepen the economic and monetary union, will be voluntary for member states whose currency is not the euro.
"Mutual respect between member states participating or not in the operation of the euro area will be ensured.
"Legal acts... [between eurozone countries] shall respect the internal market."

"But Mr Cameron ran into unexpectedly firm resistance from France on financial regulation. The French wanted to underline was that Britain would not win any "exceptions to the rules of the EU" - particularly in relation to regulation in the City - hence the addition of the "level playing field" line. Mr Cameron got his explicit recognition that the EU has more than one currency - but it does not go as far mandating "multiple currencies".

Now what about any of that says "immigration" to you?
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That's the tax evasion one. He wanted to keep the Tories access to their offshore havens and wanted an out from the new legislation. He wasn't getting it. Nothing could ever have been ' forced' on the UK without their will anyway so most of it is nonsense.
 
aguero93:20 said:
That's the tax evasion one. He wanted to keep the Tories access to their offshore havens and wanted an out from the new legislation. He wasn't getting it. Nothing could ever have been ' forced' on the UK without their will anyway so most of it is nonsense.
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So what does it have to do with immigration that both you and Ifwecouldjust... believed was a factor in swaying my decision to vote to leave?

Because it was things like this (albeit a relatively insignificant one but the bigger picture was soon made clear to us) that did.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Nope. You bailed out Halifax/Ulster Bank, owned by RBS.
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It obviously pains you so much to admit we helped bail you out?

It was no biggie, honest.

I’ve little doubt we will be there for you the next time as well.

Brexit doesn’t have to mean the end of our friendship and cooperation ;-)
 
Blue Hefner said:
The obvious answer to all all those ridiculous posts about the EU/US trade is that the EU is a much stronger body from the perspective of market, organisation, ideology and general competence than the UK on its own

In addition, no-deal doesn’t matter as they would both merely fall back on existing arrangements, something that does not apply to the current UK/EU negotiations
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(hopefully) the EU will be significantly less attractive and powerful without the UK in their membership
 
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