There's always time to do a decent deal for the UK and the EU. You just have to have the right people in charge. And that isn't inexperienced politicians and civil servants.
Well - put like that they indeed do not appear to be best qualified.We don't have the right people though in charge, we have a serial opportunist and bullshitter who has already faioed as a serious diplomat leading a team of myopic idealogues, some who are disgraced and shouldn't hold high office.
Utter incompetence by Robbins and May
The EU team must have been pissing themselves laughing as their best outcomes were ceded without having to give anything in return
It wasn’t incompetence, it was deliberate and part of the plan that they all hoped would lead to a revocation of the decision.
It wasn’t incompetence, it was deliberate and part of the plan that they all hoped would lead to a revocation of the decision.
Well - put like that they indeed do not appear to be best qualified.
Still - a step up from Rogers, Robbins and May
You seriously think May wanted to stop Brexit by negotiating a terrible deal on purpose?
The Theresa May who put her entire career as PM on delivering Brexit, that brought the deal back 3 times and who filled her cabinet with leave MP’s?
I mentioned Robbins and May - the Bar cannot be lower than thatIf you think Johnson is a 'step up' from anything .... you're bar is set very very low.
It’s what I just said yes.
Remain PM, remain Chancellor, remain chief negotiator and a backstop they all knew would never get through Parliament.
It’s what I just said yes.
Remain PM, remain Chancellor, remain chief negotiator and a backstop they all knew would never get through Parliament.
Wasn't just inadequacy, with the ERG set against her she never had a chance with the numbers. Of course those numbers were partly down to inadequacy in her election gamble.She became a leave PM and put in a leave Brexit Secretary (how many times?), leave Foreign Secretary, leave Secretary of State for International Trade.
That’s not even getting onto Gove, Raab, Grayling, Cox, Mordaunt, Leadsom, McVey etc.
The motive for May to fail just isn’t there and it’s conspiracy nonsense in my opinion.
It’s total inadequacy but wasn’t done on purpose.
You seriously think May wanted to stop Brexit by negotiating a terrible deal on purpose?
The Theresa May who put her entire career as PM on delivering Brexit, that brought the deal back 3 times and who filled her cabinet with leave MP’s?
May stood on a platform and said that no deal is better than a bad deal. It soon became apparent that this was an idle threat that she didn't believe.
I'm not saying anyone could do better but her critical error is she outlined her principles but then she broke them. This is irrelevant to whether no deal/deal/remain is good or bad.
May put her own principles first by not recognising the state of her deal and in doing so alienated much of the Tory party and as seen in the recent elections much of the country. She didn't do it on purpose but her politics gameplay was abysmal.
Johnson however is a master and his entire policy on Brexit is now oriented to alleviate the electoral cost to him and his party:
If we leave with no deal it is because the people voted for it and/or it is the EU's fault there is no deal.
If we leave with a deal, great.
If we don't leave at all then it will be Parliaments and/or the EU's fault.
May stood on a platform and said that no deal is better than a bad deal. It soon became apparent that this was an idle threat that she didn't believe.
I'm not saying anyone could do better but her critical error is she outlined her principles but then she broke them. This is irrelevant to whether no deal/deal/remain is good or bad.
May put her own principles first by not recognising the state of her deal and in doing so alienated much of the Tory party and as seen in the recent elections much of the country. She didn't do it on purpose but her politics gameplay was abysmal.
Johnson however is a master and his entire policy on Brexit is now oriented to alleviate the electoral cost to him and his party:
If we leave with no deal it is because the people voted for it and/or it is the EU's fault there is no deal.
If we leave with a deal, great.
If we don't leave at all then it will be Parliaments and/or the EU's fault.
I suppose it depends on what is meant by “representation”. A right to be consulted, or a right to participate in the ratification processYes. Which is why Labour proposed that we be allowed representation on negotiations to address any U.K. concerns. Whether this would be possible would be a matter of negotiation but given the importance of the Irish border there would be strong arguments for CU membership with a voice. The EU would be wary of precedent but the political importance of the border question would I think trump that.
The EU had similar concerns over the all U.K. backstop but ultimately went with it over their preferred NI only option purely because of the Irish border.
With all due respect, you sound like a nutcase
It probably was incompetence though. Two of the most important 'rules' of negotiation are not boxing yourself in (red lines) and not giving yourself an artificial deadline. In his acceptance speech, Johnson broke both of those rules within a minute. Out by the 31st of October doesn't mean anything as doesn't 'no backstop'. Seems like he is just as incompetent as his predessessor, unless he is trying to scupper Brexit as well.It wasn’t incompetence, it was deliberate and part of the plan that they all hoped would lead to a revocation of the decision.
I think he meant Johnson is a Master, as in "yes, Master..." (grovel, grovel...)Johnson and Master..... two words which should never ever be in the same sentence. ....... the bloke is a blathering buffoon (which will soon become evident)
Incompetent or intentional? Your last observation is the key, Boris knows that this attempt at Brexit is finished but wants to fight an election pretending it isn't. Think Johnson but then think Cummings, who is planning for us to remain in the EU and knows that dispensing with the manacles of Article 50 is our only future route out of their crumbling cartel.It probably was incompetence though. Two of the most important 'rules' of negotiation are not boxing yourself in (red lines) and not giving yourself an artificial deadline. In his acceptance speech, Johnson broke both of those rules within a minute. Out by the 31st of October doesn't mean anything as doesn't 'no backstop'. Seems like he is just as incompetent as his predessessor, unless he is trying to scupper Brexit as well.
The negotiations with the EU were never in the hands of Leave supporters - no matter what appointments for show were madeShe became a leave PM and put in a leave Brexit Secretary (how many times?), leave Foreign Secretary, leave Secretary of State for International Trade.
That’s not even getting onto Gove, Raab, Grayling, Cox, Mordaunt, Leadsom, McVey etc.
The motive for May to fail just isn’t there and it’s conspiracy nonsense in my opinion.
It’s total inadequacy but wasn’t done on purpose.