The Conservative Party

Rascal said:
It wasn't under Labour that unemployment hit 3 million, it wasn't under Labour that austerity was introduced, it wasn't under Labour that price controls were introduced, It wasn't under Labour that manufacturing was decimated, it wasn't under Labour that union power was nullified, it is under the Conservatives that national debt is higher than if you add up every labour party accrued debt in history. It wasn't under Labour that welfare was decimated and demonised, it wasn't under Labour that our national assets were sold off to corporate interests, it wasn't under Labour that our Navy is a laughing stock, it wasn't under Labour that our schools are falling to pieces, it wasn't under Labour that our roads are a disgrace, it wasn't under Labour that huge tax cuts were given to those who need them the least, it wasn't under Labour that the regressive VAT was raised, it wasn't under Labour that nursing bursaries were scrapped, it wasn't under labour that fire stations were closed, it wasn't under labour that police were cut, It wasn't under the Tories that the minimum wage was introduced.

The working class are suffering and its not because of Labour its because of the mindless stupidity of neo-liberal economics adopted by Thatcher and her acolytes.

The last thing anybody who is working class should ever do is vote Tory, because they despise the working class, we are nothing to them, they don't care, they never have cared and never will care.
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and it wasn't under Labour that the "fix" to the housing market that is so skewed against the less well off resulted in an intervention by a free market party that surprise surprise seems to have helped the sons and daughters of well off parents and even helped some buy a second fucking home - all on the back of effectively a govt subsidy using tax payers money

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-to-buy-well-off-housing-crisis-afford-market
 
urban genie said:
Couple of spots on peston, probably sub commitee roles general boring MP stuff.

Like mos tof them, as he ain't my constituency MP again I say who cares? Not me
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He was the best candidate for leadership IMO,he'd have made the best of a shitty situation and may even have helped bridge divisions across the parties and electorate.

Far from ideal....but considering his peers,and our options.....i still see him as an opportunity missed.
 
Gaudion M said:
This is what i don't get with Johnson and the new Tory rabel government. When they play this out where do they get to. If it is genuinely to a no deal brexit then the reality will hit home like a hammer:

1, Manufacturing would collapse within a couple of weeks as the supply of parts moving in/out of the country would be hugely compromised (tariffs on parts - paperwork required to import - delays at ports etc). Factories would have to shut production.
2, Farming would be decimated as tarrifs and additional administration of being an exporter to the EU would wipe out the margins on many farms, add to that the CAP subsidy system would be withdrawn overnight and would have to be replaced but when will it happen and with what (a massive and costly undertaking)?
3, The impact of 1 and 2 would be massive with all sorts of connected businesses being impacted.
4, To address 1,2 and 3 and not even mentioning the Irish border where WTO rules require tariffs and therefore you need to control the border - we would need a deal with a level of increasing desperation. But a standstill as Johnson has suggested is exactly the same as an extension - it is 90% an extension, the 10% difference is that it would be outside of A50 and therefore we would not be able to withdraw from A50 and default back in. No easy way out left.

So how do they think this is going to work? What happens in the 6 months post no deal in the tory plan?
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SPOT ON.
 
Rascal said:
It wasn't under Labour that unemployment hit 3 million, it wasn't under Labour that austerity was introduced, it wasn't under Labour that price controls were introduced, It wasn't under Labour that manufacturing was decimated, it wasn't under Labour that union power was nullified, it is under the Conservatives that national debt is higher than if you add up every labour party accrued debt in history. It wasn't under Labour that welfare was decimated and demonised, it wasn't under Labour that our national assets were sold off to corporate interests, it wasn't under Labour that our Navy is a laughing stock, it wasn't under Labour that our schools are falling to pieces, it wasn't under Labour that our roads are a disgrace, it wasn't under Labour that huge tax cuts were given to those who need them the least, it wasn't under Labour that the regressive VAT was raised, it wasn't under Labour that nursing bursaries were scrapped, it wasn't under labour that fire stations were closed, it wasn't under labour that police were cut, It wasn't under the Tories that the minimum wage was introduced.

The working class are suffering and its not because of Labour its because of the mindless stupidity of neo-liberal economics adopted by Thatcher and her acolytes.

The last thing anybody who is working class should ever do is vote Tory, because they despise the working class, we are nothing to them, they don't care, they never have cared and never will care.
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Spot on.

For the last forty years Private Eye has run a satirical column written by Dave Spart, the spokesperson of the Marxist/Trotskyist ( Officials ) Party of Great Britain.
In that time, Dave has ranted in a consistent and unintentionally amusing way about a world run by a corrupt network of tax-dodging billionaires, far-right newspaper owners and snouts-in-the-trough bankers, serviced by kow-towing Law Officers and Politicians.
However, as many are now realising, in the light of the Banking collapse, the so-called "Phone Hacking Scandal" and now Trump/Johnson, it turns out that since the 1970s Dave Spart has been Britain's wisest and most accurate political commentator.
Who would have thought.
 
Ban-jani said:
Again not true.

There were more unemployed under Thatcher than the prior Labour Government and Blair’s Government increased employment significantly.

Under the latter Brown’s Government was very unfortunate to be present during the global financial crash, that they could do little about and therefore it’s not accurate to blame it on labour policy.
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Disagree. If Labour had accumulated a surplus in the late 90s and early 00s, then investing that nest egg throughout the recession would have saved jobs.

The recession wasn't Labour's fault, but our ability to manage the effects of it was.
 
CityStu said:
Disagree. If Labour had accumulated a surplus in the late 90s and early 00s, then investing that nest egg throughout the recession would have saved jobs.

The recession wasn't Labour's fault, but our ability to manage the effects of it was.
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There was a surplus in the early 00s. I'm not sure how you "invest" it to save jobs in a later recession - I presume you mean by not spending money and creating a recession sooner.

But for the global crash, I suspect Brown might have been proved right that the Boom and Bust cycle had been abolished.

The Tories deliberately create recessions. Thatcher did it and they're doing it now.
 
Vic said:
There was a surplus in the early 00s. I'm not sure how you "invest" it to save jobs in a later recession - I presume you mean by not spending money and creating a recession sooner.

But for the global crash, I suspect Brown might have been proved right that the Boom and Bust cycle had been abolished.

The Tories deliberately create recessions. Thatcher did it and they're doing it now.
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Brown followed Keynesian economics which dictate that you build a surplus when the going's good and invest it through recessions to stimulate the economy and keep people in jobs.

Your second paragraph is hilarious. "If the economy hadn't gone bust, the boom and bust cycle may well have ended". It was always going to go bust and Brown was naive and foolish and spent the surplus, and started making headway into building a deficit, whilst the economy was doing well.
 
CityStu said:
Brown followed Keynesian economics which dictate that you build a surplus when the going's good and invest it through recessions to stimulate the economy and keep people in jobs.

Your second paragraph is hilarious. "If the economy hadn't gone bust, the boom and bust cycle may well have ended". It was always going to go bust and Brown was naive and foolish and spent the surplus, and started making headway into building a deficit, whilst the economy was doing well.
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If it was "always going to go bust" I presume you predicted it.
 
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