Another new Brexit thread

[dave_blue12]

 

[Ban-jani]

Having also reread your post .......how does someone as clever as yourself lose their passport ! A bit low I.Q schoolboy error surely ! More the actions of a ignorant leave voter surely ;-)

I’d been drinking from about 9am in Le Havre on a stag do.

Didn’t get back to where we were staying until midnight and I didn’t have a break from drinking in that time.

School boy error is an understatement.

 

[Vic]

Henning Wehn on British 80 year olds who helped win the war. No you didn't. You were ten and being evacuated. You were a drain on the war effort....

Invented his own cockney rhyming slang too. Britain's in a rudolph so I'm going for the sebastian.

 

[Len Rum]

I’d been drinking from about 9am in Le Havre on a stag do.

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I was right about you.
You are indeed an artist.

 

[Ban-jani]

I was right about you.
You are indeed an artist.

Correct

 

[lancs blue]

Henning Wehn on British 80 year olds who helped win the war. No you didn't. You were ten and being evacuated. You were a drain on the war effort....

Invented his own cockney rhyming slang too. Britain's in a rudolph so I'm going for the sebastian.

The state of Maths in this country! In 1939 an 80 year old was only just being born! ;-)

 

[Vic]

The state of Maths in this country! In 1939 an 80 year old was only just being born! ;-)

He said people in their 80s

 

[Vic]

More highlights from Wehn.

Well done on fulfilling Germany's 19th century ambition of isolating Britain.

What a question to ask in 2016. "Do you want never-ending palaver?"

 

[bluethrunthru]

The state of Maths in this country! In 1939 an 80 year old was only just being born! ;-)

My Dad goes on about Europe and our war effort...............born in Ancoats in 1938...........I keep reminding him it was his dad who was a Desert Rat and his father-in-law who was captured at Dunkirk.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yet more pointless and totally irrelevant shite off twitter.
17.4 million whipped up by the far right and nationalism.
It naturally follows that 16.4 million voted solely on fear and trepidation, and the malign influences of a US
president, a leaflet partly paid for by leave voters, and them cacking themselves at the prospect of losing their
jobs and, if they manage not to, to immediately be paying 10% extra tax.
To keep seeing this post vote bad loser Violet Elizabeth Bott tribute act is still funny, but it's beginning to pall a tad.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yet more pointless and totally irrelevant shite off twitter.
17.4 million whipped up by the far right and nationalism.
It naturally follows that 16.4 million voted solely on fear and trepidation, and the malign influences of a US
president, a leaflet partly paid for by leave voters, and them cacking themselves at the prospect of losing their
jobs and, if they manage not to, to immediately be paying 10% extra tax.
To keep seeing this post vote bad loser Violet Elizabeth Bott tribute act is still funny, but it's beginning to pall a tad.

Even if both are true, the case you’ve made for Remain there is still stronger than Leave.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Even if both are true, the case you’ve made for Remain there is still stronger than Leave.

Maybe the fact that a Leaver is able to articulate a better case for remaining than a remainer is part of the issue. Even the most compelling remain arguments tend to start or conclude with either the implication or accusation of stupidity on the part of leavers. It's statistically unlikely that all leavers are stupid and one of the most stupid things anyone can do in any debate where they seek to change another's mind is to accuse them of being an idiot as a starting position.

 

[dave_blue12]

Yet more pointless and totally irrelevant shite off twitter.
17.4 million whipped up by the far right and nationalism.
It naturally follows that 16.4 million voted solely on fear and trepidation, and the malign influences of a US
president, a leaflet partly paid for by leave voters, and them cacking themselves at the prospect of losing their
jobs and, if they manage not to, to immediately be paying 10% extra tax.
To keep seeing this post vote bad loser Violet Elizabeth Bott tribute act is still funny, but it's beginning to pall a tad.

Much of the shite on this thread is your determination to prove how stupid you are at every opportunity.

 

[Vic]

Maybe the fact that a Leaver is able to articulate a better case for remaining than a remainer is part of the issue. Even the most compelling remain arguments tend to start or conclude with either the implication or accusation of stupidity on the part of leavers. nd one of the most stupid things anyone can do in any debate where they seek to change another's mind is to accuse them of being an idiot as a starting position.

That's never been said before.

Actually, based on all the research before and after the referendum, the better the education the more likely people were to vote Remain. So it's statistically likely that more Leavers are stupid than Remainers.

But "It's statistically unlikely that all leavers are stupid" seems a pretty stupid concept. Now 'stubborn" and "sensitive about the wisdom of their choice...."

As to tactics, providing evidence (recession this year, pound tanked, car industry wrecked) doesn't seem to work, so that's the "starting position" buggered.

 

[Ban-jani]

Maybe the fact that a Leaver is able to articulate a better case for remaining than a remainer is part of the issue. Even the most compelling remain arguments tend to start or conclude with either the implication or accusation of stupidity on the part of leavers. It's statistically unlikely that all leavers are stupid and one of the most stupid things anyone can do in any debate where they seek to change another's mind is to accuse them of being an idiot as a starting position.

He hasn’t though. His post articulated that the case for remainer is a better one than leave but it wasn’t necessarily better than the arguments remain voters have given on here for the last 3+ years.

Why do you think it was better?

I’m not saying they’re all stupid, why are you bringing that up?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

That's never been said before.

Actually, based on all the research before and after the referendum, the better the education the more likely people were to vote Remain. So it's statistically likely that more Leavers are stupid than Remainers.

But "It's statistically unlikely that all leavers are stupid" seems a pretty stupid concept. Now 'stubborn" and "sensitive about the wisdom of their choice...."

As to tactics, providing evidence (recession this year, pound tanked, car industry wrecked) doesn't seem to work, so that's the "starting position" buggered.

You make excellent points, but about how far through your post do you imagine most leavers will either stop reading or feel patronised? Have you considered that it may be this mechanism that gives rise to what you identify as stubbornness / stupidity, and therefore diminishes the effectiveness of your argument?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

That's never been said before.

Actually, based on all the research before and after the referendum, the better the education the more likely people were to vote Remain. So it's statistically likely that more Leavers are stupid than Remainers.

But "It's statistically unlikely that all leavers are stupid" seems a pretty stupid concept. Now 'stubborn" and "sensitive about the wisdom of their choice...."

As to tactics, providing evidence (recession this year, pound tanked, car industry wrecked) doesn't seem to work, so that's the "starting position" buggered.

On your last paragraph what’s Germany’s excuse for all that ( save for the pound to show I am not stupid )

 

[Ban-jani]

On your last paragraph what’s Germany’s excuse for all that ( save for the pound to show I am not stupid )

Nations around the globe will fall into recession or will do badly because of a number of contributing factors. It’s important to work out the specific reasoning as to why. It’s also possible that it’s more than one reason.

Take the car industry for example, sure it’s true that diesel is a large part of it struggling across Europe and this country but then it’s also true that Brexit has played a huge part in that.

Our losses as a country have been sudden and sharp since 2016 and our performance as being one of the fastest growing economies in Europe in 2015, to one of the slowest IS a direct result of Brexit, nothing else can possibly have done that.

To give you an idea on the below and how big 2%-2.5% is, it’s over 3rd of what was lost in 2008, which is a huge number considering we’ve not yet even left and this is based on the idea of us leaving. When you fact in the idea of us leaving with No Deal has increased in likelihood and we’re now in record breaking pound shrinking territory, actually leaving with a hard Brexit is going to absolutely fuck us.

Studies published in 2018 estimated that the economic costs of the Brexit vote were 2% of GDP, or 2.5% of GDP. According to a December 2017 Financial Times analysis, the Brexit referendum results had reduced national British income by 0.6% and 1.3%.

 

[yerwot?]

To keep seeing this post vote bad loser Violet Elizabeth Bott tribute act is still funny, but it's beginning to pall a tad.

Not as much as "we won you lost" which is all brexit clings to. Appalling, from the very start, never ever "funny", except in the sense of "funny where the millions backing brexit come from" funny how the " police investigation into Aaron Banks has made no progress", funny how adamant the brexits are against a referendum re-run, seeing they scream so loud about "democracy" FFS.... A non-negotiable foundation of democracy is ACCOUNTABILITY, absolutely no trace of accountability in the entire brexit hierarchy, blatant liars welcomed back into the cabinet, like a malign osmosis,
A PM with a majority of ONE, but the backing of the brexit barons is pissing on the very notion of democratic governance, and the vast majority of the population.
Revoke revoke ffs revoke, lance the boil, cut out the cancer, take the blinkers off and wake up ffs, a pox on brexit and it's backers

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Much of the shite on this thread is your determination to prove how stupid you are at every opportunity.

Much of yours is padded out out and embellished by importing even more of it from Twitter.