Today's shooting in America thread

Fred_Quimby said:
You could say the same over here with the food industry funding the Tory party.
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But the Tory party can’t spend and have 4x as many adverts and attack ads as Labour. And Labour can’t do the same either with trade union funding.

So no, you really really truly 100% could not remotely say the same over here, unless you were stupid.

*not saying you’re stupid
 
I wonder what Mr. Trump's views are about Venus and Serena Williams, Diana Ross or Tina Turner, Fats Domino or Louis Armstrong?
Just a very few of many great Americans of colour.
 
blueinsa said:
Very much this I’m afraid.
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It’s the political narrative in the country, a shell game of distracting an increasingly uninformed public while corporate America collects their cash. Trump is the new flavor but DC has been littered with versions of this as long as I have been alive - its a broken system led by special interests & corporate elite

Nevertheless gun control & NRA are not the crux of the problem - I’ve said it before but there is a culture of violence that needs more work than legislation. There are more guns per capita in many other countries that have none of the problems the US suffer from - the guns help but it’s more than that but that requires a level of societal introspection I struggle to see happening anytime soon
 
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FCBarca said:
It’s the political narrative in the country, a shell game of distracting an increasingly uninformed public while corporate America collects their cash. Trump is the new flavor but DC has been littered with versions of this as long as I have been alive - its a broken system led by special interests & corporate elite

Nevertheless gun control & NRA are not the crux of the problem - I’ve said it before but there is a culture of violence that needs more work than legislation. There are more guns per capita in many other countries that have none of the problems the US suffer from - the guns help but it’s more than that but that requires a level of societal introspection I struggle to see happening anytime soon
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It starts from birth the American dream, look at the way the schools end up going into some weird caste system it creates the perfect environment for bullies. You end up with the loners who can't get a shag and need someone or something to blame. Once they have that they spend their time fantasising about how to use their anger to hurt others and then the easy access to Assault Rifles makes it perfect. The columbine shooters are idolised on places like 4chan where they hang out and they see their murder spree as a fitting way to make their worthless lives mean something. Which in reality it doesn't because so many shootings happen they just become a statistic and will never be remembered like the Columbine killers.
 
FCBarca said:
It’s the political narrative in the country, a shell game of distracting an increasingly uninformed public while corporate America collects their cash. Trump is the new flavor but DC has been littered with versions of this as long as I have been alive - its a broken system led by special interests & corporate elite

Nevertheless gun control & NRA are not the crux of the problem - I’ve said it before but there is a culture of violence that needs more work than legislation. There are more guns per capita in many other countries that have none of the problems the US suffer from - the guns help but it’s more than that but that requires a level of societal introspection I struggle to see happening anytime soon
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more guns per capita in many other countries...really?
 
FCBarca said:
Trump is an imbecile but not one administration in decades has done anything but capitulate to NRA
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Republicans don't tackle the NRA so how can they capitulate? Trump speaks at their conventions and is idolised.

Obama knew he was pissing in the wind, even after Sandyhook his hands were tied.
 
FCBarca said:
Trump is an imbecile but not one administration in decades has done anything but capitulate to NRA
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Not an executive branch issue; it's a legislative branch issue. The President can preach all he wants, but when the House and Senate vote down or refuse to bring to the floor gun control initiatives like a strengthening and extension of the Assault Weapons ban (as Dianne Feinstein has tried to, repeatedly), there's not a ton the President can do.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Not an executive branch issue; it's a legislative branch issue. The President can preach all he wants, but when the House and Senate vote down or refuse to bring to the floor gun control initiatives like a strengthening and extension of the Assault Weapons ban (as Dianne Feinstein has tried to, repeatedly), there's not a ton the President can do.
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Certainly not when the Senate majority leader took over a MILLION DOLLARS from the NRA. I think they call that 'being in the pocket'.
 
FCBarca said:
It’s the political narrative in the country, a shell game of distracting an increasingly uninformed public while corporate America collects their cash. Trump is the new flavor but DC has been littered with versions of this as long as I have been alive - its a broken system led by special interests & corporate elite

Nevertheless gun control & NRA are not the crux of the problem - I’ve said it before but there is a culture of violence that needs more work than legislation. There are more guns per capita in many other countries that have none of the problems the US suffer from - the guns help but it’s more than that but that requires a level of societal introspection I struggle to see happening anytime soon
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

It isn't even close. The USA has by far the most guns per capita. It is the culture that has become a problem though.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Figures for Indonesia look a bit suspect.
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A lot of them do, but even if not, you figure the USA number is close to right and is 2x #2 (which is the Falkland Islands with 3K people), 12x the straight-average nation and 20x the median.

The average American owns 1.2 guns. That 50% more than the average number of cars person in America (.8). Unbelievable.
 
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