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west didsblue said:
That's right. We should be considering a 150 year time frame like 1632 did.
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Do you miss the point deliberately or are you simply unable to grasp?

The point that was being made was - does the fact that the GFA was put in place mean that there can never ever be any further change to UK policy because the GFA is sacrosanct - of course not - 150 years was just emphasis

I know that you must think that you are being clever with your snipes - but......

Have you answered the Scotland exiting the union question yet?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Lol, attack isn't the best form of defence when you've shot the last round. You have categorically stated that
this country won't be exporting after 31 Oct, the 'Significantly diminished, or diminished significantly' aside
is straw clutching, you said the latter, plus whether it's one or the other is irrelevant, as they are one and the same,
and is a row back from the original no trade assertion.



So, let's test the above mid November is all I'm saying, no exports to the EU, and losing a lot to the rest of the world.
Not diminished, significantly or otherwise, getting rid you say, or have you changed your mind?
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My money is on you
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
The crux of the GFA is that the Westminster Government basically said they would let the people of NI self determine their future.
We in Ireland amended our constitution to pretty much say the same and flawed and all as the current situation up north, without an active assembly, is...
It is working and it is is the very carefully constructed ambiguity of the wording of the agreement, that is the marvel, and is such a credit to the it's architects.
Everyone's aspirations are covered.
The clumsiness of your present governments lack of consideration for it is in stark contrast.
How could anyone on these islands have any confidence in Boris Johnson or his likes to tear up what you have in place and come up with something better.
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AMEN SISTER!!!
 
BobKowalski said:
Ah the Remain campaign and George Osborne. It’s like the Leave campaign never said a fucking word. And how does the current situation compare to the many exaggerated promises made by the Leave campaign?

For those Leavers on here who a) never heard of the Leave campaign and b) committed everything said by the Remain campaign to memory I can recommend the use of Google search. I will confirm though that yes there was a Leave campaign and no I am not making its existence up.
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Do you think George gets mentioned more than Iceland to Zambia?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
This isnt about my opinion or your opinion...this is about that FACT there was a previous REFERENDUM, ratified by the UK Government that precedes Brexit. It should be considered and respected in the Brexit negotiations.

Im not suggesting that Brexit should be stopped BECAUSE for the GFA but i am suggesting that negotiations and deals MUST take it into account, after all....we cant go against the will of the people :-|
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But like any other agreement events can occur that change the prevailing conditions under which the agreement was made and this leads to changes being required - that is the case here
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
See my previous reply, i am not suggesting that Brexit be stopped BECAUSE of the GFA, im stating that the GFA, ratified by the UK government following a referendum, MUST be considered and taken into account during the Brexit negotiations.

You cant just ignore or rescind the GFA because it doesnt suit Brexit....its there, its real it must be considered. I dont know the solution, but one needs found.
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Indeed don't ignore the GFA

Indeed consider it very carefully in spirit of neighbours and partners

Don't one side insist there can be no changes and support another party in their weaponising of it
 
mcfc1632 said:
But like any other agreement events can occur that change the prevailing conditions under which the agreement was made and this leads to changes being required - that is the case here
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Fair enough, so if the GFA needs changed and amended, instead of negotiating around it...how do we make those changes?...changes to an agreement that was put to the people as a referendum? An agreement that took years of political negotiation, years of groundwork within communities dealing with the effects of cold blooded murder and ingrained distrust of neighbours?

Do we have a second NI referendum? Or would that mean people object because they would claim they are just voting over and over until they get the answer "they" want?

Do we just go ahead with Brexit and worry about the GFA later, thereby ignoring the "will of the people"?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Indeed don't ignore the GFA

Indeed consider it very carefully in spirit of neighbours and partners

Don't one side insist there can be no changes and support another party in their weaponising of it
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Don't one side make a decision that involves changing an existing relationship without talking to the other parties involved and then later come along and tell the other parties they have to change the relationship because we've made other arrangements..... and can we hurry up.
 
Mmmmmm - instant mash - tinned peas and crispy pancakes every night for tea - thats what I call taking back control

 
https://twitter.com/i/user/1004122228861145096

Keith Burge

@carryonkeith

When businesses say they’ve prepared for a No Deal Brexit they mean they have:
- accepted a hit to their profits
- tried to source less good supplies/workers
- considered job losses
- explored investing outside the UK
So whilst being prepared sounds good, in this case, it isn’t.
6:38 AM · Aug 8, 2019
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Fair enough, so if the GFA needs changed and amended, instead of negotiating around it...how do we make those changes?...changes to an agreement that was put to the people as a referendum? An agreement that took years of political negotiation, years of groundwork within communities dealing with the effects of cold blooded murder and ingrained distrust of neighbours?

Do we have a second NI referendum? Or would that mean people object because they would claim they are just voting over and over until they get the answer "they" want?

Do we just go ahead with Brexit and worry about the GFA later, thereby ignoring the "will of the people"?
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Very fair and detailed question. I await the answer with some interest.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Don't one side make a decision that involves changing an existing relationship without talking to the other parties involved and then later come along and tell the other parties they have to change the relationship because we've made other arrangements..... and can we hurry up.
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In order to change the GFA, we would need to define and then negotiate the changes with those that were party to the original agreement. That would probably mean changes to the multi part agreement so would have to be ratified by NI political parties. The British Irish agreement would have to be ratified by the respective governments. Then depending on the magnitude of the changes, a referendum on both sides of the border. Forgive my grasp of the detail Irish friends, but does that sound correct?

To put is more succinctly. Don’t fuck with the GFA.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
In order to change the GFA, we would need to define and then negotiate the changes with those that were party to the original agreement. That would probably mean changes to the multi part agreement so would have to be ratified by NI political parties. The British Irish agreement would have to be ratified by the respective governments. Then depending on the magnitude of the changes, a referendum on both sides of the border. Forgive my grasp of the detail Irish friends, but does that sound correct?

To put is more succinctly. Don’t fuck with the GFA.
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IMO thats largely it...i wouldnt say dont fuck with it, as im sure there are people here who would like aspects "tweaked"...but ultimately we were given and asked to consider the terms of the GFA before we voted...

(...wow, what a good idea, give voters a chance to consider whats being proposed, and then they could make an informed decision...nah, rubbish doesnt fit with our plan...)


so it was more binding, and thankfully 71% of the population voted in favour of it.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Do you miss the point deliberately or are you simply unable to grasp?

The point that was being made was - does the fact that the GFA was put in place mean that there can never ever be any further change to UK policy because the GFA is sacrosanct - of course not - 150 years was just emphasis

I know that you must think that you are being clever with your snipes - but......

Have you answered the Scotland exiting the union question yet?
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It was a joke.

I know what your point was and it was ridiculous. If you want to know why, use your analytical powers or google it.

As for the Scotland "question" that you rather incoherently posted as an opinion rather than an actual question, try reading the thread.
 
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