Don't disagree really,we have no info on what was or wasn't said,the german press has put out all sorts but all we have is what pep said really,i'm sure everyone didn't want this to overshadow the new season but it's going to rumble on,the footy will be a welcome distraction,it's been like brexit lolTxiki would of course tell pep. But pep would still be able to say that Leroy hadn’t told him that he wanted to go. And saying that he has to ask to leave might mean that he has to do more than ask his mum to tell Txiki.
I’m not saying that’s what has happened, just that it seems normal for transfers to be conducted one step removed so that the player and manager can deny it right up to the last minute
Messi has a free role too.
Wanting to go and choosing to go if given the opportunity aren’t the same.players that want to leave will ask and agitate. My guess is Sane is relatively happy with us, but if Bayern had made an acceptable offer and he was given a choice he’d have chosen Bayern.
What happens now though is anyones guess.
Free role doesn't mean not being a team player; regardless of which, Messi prospered under Pep. Still no good excuses for Leroy not to.
Well, who else what at the table these last few months?If anyone seriously believes that Bayern is the only club he'd play for if he left, yes.
That implies there was a table to be at,they were there on their own if there was oneWell, who else what at the table these last few months?
This all day long.Contracts, of course protect both club and player. Leroy seems to have two choices now: continue with his current contract on relatively low wages, see out his contract and hope that BM or another will give him a bumper deal. Players with ACL problems rarely get stunning deals. A 5 year deal on mega money seems much less likely this week than last. Alternatively, he can sign up to the offer made by City. If he does that then the club takes all the risk that he doesn’t recover well and returns a lesser or injury prone player. A tough choice for a young player.
Well, who else what at the table these last few months?
I think we have crossed wires. You seemed to be suggesting he wouldn't have simply considered Bayern if he wanted to leave (apologies if I have that wrong). I was simply saying they were the only ones in town these last few months.These last few months of bidding fuck all ?
Telling people they were signing him for Lukaku money ?
It's called tapping up.
Which was my pointThat implies there was a table to be at,they were there on their own if there was one
Leroy has been a perfectly good team player.
But he might be better, as a soloist.
Soloist? Leave that to Sanchez the piano man ;)You may have guessed by now that I fundamentally disagree that a soloist is ever better than a team player (for any given level of talent).
It is was me , i'd have sorted it out earlier, but then i'm kinda direct, what you see is what you get.Exactly.
He obviously wants to play, at his age, so any of us, in his position, would not sign a new deal unless we got in the team. So no way would we tell any top team to fuck off, if they were interested, we would do exactly what he has done; keep our options open.
He has two years on his contract. This injury could mean either him signing for security, or seeing his contract out.
Cheers mateThe median lay- off times after ACLreconstruction were 201.5 (IQR 58.0) days (6.6 months) to training and 225.0 (IQR 80.3) days (7.4 months) to match play.
CheersDepends on the severity.
I've had a meniscus tear and I was back running in 6 weeks, ACL is more severe.
I'd say a minimum of 4 months and a range of 4 to 6 months at it's worst.
What gives me some hope is that he walked up the stairs at Wembley but that was horrific from our medical staff to allow that to happen.
Cheers mateAn average of all the possibilities would be 6-7 months I think. But we don’t know for sure yet. best case would be 4-5 months. Worst case his season is over.
I think we have crossed wires. You seemed to be suggesting he wouldn't have simply considered Bayern if he wanted to leave (apologies if I have that wrong). I was simply saying they were the only ones in town these last few months.
You may have guessed by now that I fundamentally disagree that a soloist is ever better than a team player (for any given level of talent).