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mancity2012_eamo said:
What's not funny about an old fart tripping on a step?
Just put one up of Boris.... well basically saying anything, to counter argument.
The thread would be a better place for it.
Go on gif it a try. You know you want to.
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I wouldn’t know how to post one from a mobile.
 
These sectoral deals between USA and UK that apparently Bolton and Johnson have agreed will happen quickly after 31st October are in fact against WTO rules (trade deals must cover substantially all trade)
USA might not give a sh1t about this but UK are supposed to be a major player in WTO after we've left the EU, so breaking the rules early on wouldn't be a good start.
Also these new deals would require approval by Congress which they have already indicated they would not give in the event of the peace or economy in Ireland being jeopardized in the event of no deal.
And if such deals did happen they would in any event be a stitch up by the US to hook us in, make us dependent on them and then hit us with the double whammy of agriculture and the NHS.
Next.
 
Len Rum said:
These sectoral deals between USA and UK that apparently Bolton and Johnson have agreed will happen quickly after 31st October are in fact against WTO rules (trade deals must cover substantially all trade)
USA might not give a sh1t about this but UK are supposed to be a major player in WTO after we've left the EU, so breaking the rules early on wouldn't be a good start.
Also these new deals would require approval by Congress which they have already indicated they would not give in the event of the peace or economy in Ireland being jeopardized in the event of no deal.
And if such deals did happen they would in any event be a stitch up by the US to hook us in, make us dependent on them and then hit us with the double whammy of agriculture and the NHS.
Next.
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No problem, just rewrite the WTO rules.
After rewriting the GFA it'll be a piece of piss.
No more excuses.
Next.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
They do the same with mine, and she's no pisshead either.
Juncker is, It's common knowledge, so any earth shattering statements made by him are subject to ridicule/pisstake.
It's great on here, the outrage whenever the EU is lampooned, but it's perfectly OK to call Brexit advocates racists,
water off a ducks back for me, though, all par for the course.
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I wonder where you saw this 'common knowledge' stated?
 
Len Rum said:
These sectoral deals between USA and UK that apparently Bolton and Johnson have agreed will happen quickly after 31st October are in fact against WTO rules (trade deals must cover substantially all trade)
USA might not give a sh1t about this but UK are supposed to be a major player in WTO after we've left the EU, so breaking the rules early on wouldn't be a good start.
Also these new deals would require approval by Congress which they have already indicated they would not give in the event of the peace or economy in Ireland being jeopardized in the event of no deal.
And if such deals did happen they would in any event be a stitch up by the US to hook us in, make us dependent on them and then hit us with the double whammy of agriculture and the NHS.
Next.
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The prospect of them will be sufficient to keep a significant number of the leavers happy and will reassure them that No Deal won't be that bad because that's what they want to believe.
 
Len Rum said:
These sectoral deals between USA and UK that apparently Bolton and Johnson have agreed will happen quickly after 31st October are in fact against WTO rules (trade deals must cover substantially all trade)
USA might not give a sh1t about this but UK are supposed to be a major player in WTO after we've left the EU, so breaking the rules early on wouldn't be a good start.
Also these new deals would require approval by Congress which they have already indicated they would not give in the event of the peace or economy in Ireland being jeopardized in the event of no deal.
And if such deals did happen they would in any event be a stitch up by the US to hook us in, make us dependent on them and then hit us with the double whammy of agriculture and the NHS.
Next.
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Since when was John Bolton a trade ambassador and negotiator?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
My mate voted out, and he reads the Mirror.
I tickles me how those on the losing side know all the reasons why the winners won.
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We all win or all lose.

Going off your last few posts you seem to believe that if you voted leave you “won” and therefore your life will improve, if you voted Remain you lost and therefore the opposite.

You also seem to think that voting in 2016 chose which way was the best way and because we voted to leave Brexit was automatically a better outcome for the UK.

I don’t believe you are that delusional to think the above but it’s how you sound.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Since when was John Bolton a trade ambassador and negotiator?
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He's clearly part of the Johnson effort to get us out on 31 October. He's making promises that he can't keep to further the end game of isolating us from the EU which leaves us ripe for exploitation by the US, and furthers Russia's strategy of weakening the western alliance. The only question is whether Johnson knows and is complicit, knows and doesn't care because it furthers his personal aims or is too stupid to realise.
 
johnnytapia said:
Freedom of Movement by its very definition cannot be managed. Otherwise you wouldn't be, er, free to move.
You clearly no little about how Greece was forced to remain in the EU otherwise it would have had its banks shut down by the ECB.
I don't vote for the commission. It's like me voting for my MP who then says, "Actually, I'm going to hand over the legislative reins to someone else and, yep, you won't have any say in who that is."
Eurozone unemployment rate: 7.5%. UK: 3.9%. Yep, what a resounding success the eurozone is.
My Neil Kinnock line was tongue in cheek. But demonstrates how some of every taxpayer's £ is spent.
Anyway, time to go and ride my bike on the beautifully asphalted roads (courtesy of EU funding no doubt) of the Cheshire Lanes.
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Hand over the legislative reins with no say in who that is? How the hell do you think we've got our current PM?
 
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Vic said:
Hand over the legislative reins with no say in who that is? How the hell do you think we've got our current PM?
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The people voted for it? That is how we have a Tory government.

It is even more poignant in terms of democracy because the Tories were primarily electing on delivering Brexit. Boris has said primarily he will deliver Brexit.

If they changed leader and then came out in favour of remain then that would be somewhat more troubling.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Theres so much wrong about this post ... that I don't know where to really start. So once again for those at the back.

1) We are not in the Schengen area.. we do not subscribe to freedom of movement. We subscribe to Freedom of movement of Labour.
2) Any Eu citizen arriving in the UK must evidence that they have employment in writing or show themselves to be self sufficient with adequate income to support themselves.
3) If a person becomes unemployed and remains so for three months we have the right to send them home / ask them to return home
4) Cameron went to the Eu and asked for permission to stop Freedom of Movement of labour ... they politely told him to go away and implement the rules that were available (like they do in Spain). He couldn't because the Tories had 'sold off' border security to G4s and were unable to alter the contract (and didn't have the infrastructure to do so anyway)
5) The impact of the Eu and any deaths caused imposing financial conditions on Greece is less than the number of deaths (130000) caused by the hostile environment created by the DWP and this UK Government.
6) You don't want to fund Kinnock on the Gravy train .... but I'll bet you're happy to fund Farage and his crew.
7) You influence law making in the UK now... that's what Parliament does. No one else in Europe is talking about banning hand free car phones this morning .. but we are. No one else is talking about making prison sentences harsher today .. but we are. The Eu is about harmonisation ..
8) the commission is appointed by the people you elect. Thats how it works ... you vote for a government .. they nominate people who sit on the commission.The commission does not have a vote.
9)The commission DO NOT draft Eu laws. Prospective laws are proposed by MEPs and the commission... they are then debated in the Parliament (people who are elected by me and you).. If approved they go forward for implementation.. they CANNOT pass a directive that is applicable to only one country (ie they cannot pass laws that impact on UK income tax for example)
8) The Eurozone may well be an economic disaster ... however we are not in it. Neither do we bail out countries in the Eurozone... therefore we will not benefit from leaving something we are not in.
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Absolute nonsense - care to try and back this statement up?
 
inbetween said:
The people voted for it? That is how we have a Tory government.

It is even more poignant in terms of democracy because the Tories were primarily electing on delivering Brexit. Boris has said primarily he will deliver Brexit.

If they changed leader and then came out in favour of remain then that would be somewhat more troubling.
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And how does that relate to the complaint that by voting for the European Parliament we hand over the legislative reins? I think you missed the point.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Theres so much wrong about this post ... that I don't know where to really start. So once again for those at the back.

1) We are not in the Schengen area.. we do not subscribe to freedom of movement. We subscribe to Freedom of movement of Labour.
2) Any Eu citizen arriving in the UK must evidence that they have employment in writing or show themselves to be self sufficient with adequate income to support themselves.
3) If a person becomes unemployed and remains so for three months we have the right to send them home / ask them to return home
4) Cameron went to the Eu and asked for permission to stop Freedom of Movement of labour ... they politely told him to go away and implement the rules that were available (like they do in Spain). He couldn't because the Tories had 'sold off' border security to G4s and were unable to alter the contract (and didn't have the infrastructure to do so anyway)
5) The impact of the Eu and any deaths caused imposing financial conditions on Greece is less than the number of deaths (130000) caused by the hostile environment created by the DWP and this UK Government.
6) You don't want to fund Kinnock on the Gravy train .... but I'll bet you're happy to fund Farage and his crew.
7) You influence law making in the UK now... that's what Parliament does. No one else in Europe is talking about banning hand free car phones this morning .. but we are. No one else is talking about making prison sentences harsher today .. but we are. The Eu is about harmonisation ..
8) the commission is appointed by the people you elect. Thats how it works ... you vote for a government .. they nominate people who sit on the commission.The commission does not have a vote.
9)The commission DO NOT draft Eu laws. Prospective laws are proposed by MEPs and the commission... they are then debated in the Parliament (people who are elected by me and you).. If approved they go forward for implementation.. they CANNOT pass a directive that is applicable to only one country (ie they cannot pass laws that impact on UK income tax for example)
8) The Eurozone may well be an economic disaster ... however we are not in it. Neither do we bail out countries in the Eurozone... therefore we will not benefit from leaving something we are not in.
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What's it like in cloud cuckoo land? Sounds great. You've listed the so called rules and regulations on freedom of movement. The reality, as witnessed daily by those of us with eyes open is very, very different.
And glad to see you empathise so well with the Greeks. The EU caused untold misery? Well, never mind, it's far worse in the UK so boo-hoo.
Why would I want to fund Farage? Such a facile argument, "you don't want this so I bet you want this". No wonder Remain were so, so fucking easy to beat.
Anyway, we're leaving, so we'll have plenty of time to discuss the medicine shortages; run on the pound; twenty mile truck queues; dead piles of cattle etc, etc. There'll all be rendered moot by WWIII anyway, so get knocking up your Anderson shelter (or will be onto WWIV by then?)
 
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