Var debate 2019/20

[ballinio]

That’s what I said last night on the coach going home, a few Blues saying that’s them done with going to the match, it’s what the fuckers of the old G14 want, grind us down, it’s not happening, history will show we don’t pack it in because of the corrupt twats trying to dry bum us.

Wouldn’t surprise me if were 5,000 down next home match

 

[hammocity]

They’ve created new game that I want no part of , it’s not easy to give up after 40 years, my whole social life revolves round City but I feel I have to, they’ve stolen the game I love . VAR has killed it stone dead for me.

Stick your chest out, be defiant and don’t let some Weasley twats ruin the experience of supporting this brilliant Club, just fuck em, that’s all.

 

[ballinio]

Stick your chest out, be defiant and don’t let some Weasley twats ruin the experience of supporting this brilliant Club, just fuck em, that’s all.

Done that plenty of times pal , enough is enough now, until Var is scrapped I won’t be at another game.

 

[bluegonads]

what i can't get my head round on the VAR decision to rule out the 3rd 'goal' for handball is.......
nobody seemed to appeal, or think there may have been a handball to warrant the use of VAR to 'find' a handball.
somebody, somewhere decided to look at replays to find the offence, in doing so they must have seen all the passage of play to determine where the 'offence' took place.
now i'm not against the rule where any instance of ball touching an arm rules out a goal as i can see there being consistency with it ,BUT,
while the VAR crew were studying the footage to find the handball offence, how the hell did they not see, or acknowledge the clear pulling on Laporte a second before he 'handled' the ball?
the right decision should have been goal disallowed due to handball, spot kick awarded for a foul in the penalty area surely?

 

[hammocity]

Done that plenty of times pal , enough is enough now, until Var is scrapped I won’t be at another game.

They have won, mission accomplished.

 

[Newman Noggs]

They’ve created new game that I want no part of , it’s not easy to give up after 40 years, my whole social life revolves round City but I feel I have to, they’ve stolen the game I love . VAR has killed it stone dead for me.

Hang in there mate. We're all raging but it will pass.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

Definite penalty missed, didn't need VAR for it but the fact it didn't rule it a pen suggests incompetence on behalf of operator. Goal being ruled out was an extreme interpretation of the new ruling, completely destroying the game as a 'sporting' spectacle. How long before fans at a game get on the pitch and take it out on an official. Many more of these games changers at the death could see it. Needs to be reviewed urgently as too many of these will turn fans away. Every player on the Spurs team and bench plus the management were openly laughing at that decision. I'll wait for scum or diapers to be on the receiving end before fuckwits slackened off the interpretation

 

[Champions again in 2012]

Posted this in the post match thread but probably should have gone in here

That non penalty decision is a classic example where the VAR official should have advised the ref to go and review it on a monitor once there is a break in play (or the attack is over) - he's not over ruling him and leaving it with the on field official but saying - it’s not a clear and obvious error but you need to take a look. It wouldn’t surprise me if this becomes a 'learning point' and they tweak the process - that way we can get shafted by it in the future

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Was all for VAR as I stupidly thought we would start getting all those penalties we were never given. You live and learn.

 

[manimanc]

Let's see how many VAR decisions go for and against the rags and dippers this season and I say that because over the years and more recently the pair of them have had a helping hand from officials.
Let's just see If VAR is fair across the board.

 

[ballinio]

They have won, mission accomplished.

Yep, & me fucking it off won’t make any difference but if more do the same the game will be in serious trouble, I mean fans all over the country start drifting away. Got a feeling we’lL bear the brunt of Var & not two fucks will be given.

 

[give it to gordon]

Wouldn’t surprise me if were 5,000 down next home match

Well I will be making the 600 mile round trip for the Brighton game but at the moment it wont be with the normal excitement of coming home and watching City. I almost feel like selling of my tickets I have games for. I hope as we get near to the ground the excitement grows.

I know I wont sell them I love City to much !!

 

[Blue Mooner]

VAR when first touted was for clear and obvious errors, neither of our 2 goals this season were clear and obvious errors and so on the original principles, which I still fully support, neither should have been disallowed.

Unfortunately, the animal farm principle has been applied, and VAR is now the referee, this has happened under the radar, it's been a rapidly creeping (didn't even know that was possible) expansion of its influence.

Now, instead of clear and obvious errors, all errors are equal. I confidently expect that, once Liverpool and United find themselves in similar situations to our in the opening 2 games, we will discover that some errors are more equal than others

The problem is none of us will be any the wiser when similar decisions get ignored because like yesterday, the ref, the crowd, the public will be completely oblivious to any offence having taken place and no replays will be shown.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Let's see how many VAR decisions go for and against the rags and dippers this season and I say that because over the years and more recently the pair of them have had a helping hand from officials.
Let's just see If VAR is fair across the board.

I can save you the bother. It won't be. Liverpool will not have a decisive goal (ie when the scores are level late on) disallowed all season.

 

[Chris in London]

You’re comparing two different situations there, one that still allows for interpretation and one that doesn’t. The goal that got disallowed - the issue there is with the law, not VAR. It doesn’t matter if it’s accidental or not now, any time an attacker handles the ball in the run up to a goal and it will be disallowed. The error can just be the referee didn’t see it.

The one in the first half though, even though still ultimately down to interpretation and so different to the handball one, I’m very surprised it didn’t get given and I’ll be interested to see how they judge similar ones over the course of the season now. I have a feeling they will keep with the on field referees decision every time with those.

I don’t think I am, I think I’m comparing like with like.

The premier league’s own explanation was “Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental.“ That does not mean any goal where in the preceding passage of play the ball touches the hand or arm, it means that the use of the hand or arm must result in, or contribute to the goal being scored. So there is a subjective element that allows for interpretation - namely whether the contact with the hand or arm actually contributes to the goal being scored. Michael Oliver plainly could not have thought the goal was scored as a result of contact with the hand, so unless that decision was clearly and obviously wrong I don’t see why there was any scope for VAR overturning the goal.

Unless the premier league have got the rule wrong?

 

[SamBlue]

Implementation of VAR was almost perfect in Russia last year and there were no English refs in Russia last year. English refs do not referee the games, they manage them. UEFA does not help with coming up with rules running against any logic. FA/PL does not help with their own take on UEFA rules. I am ready for more disappointments to come.

 

[alexmcity]

VAR is not bad for City. If they are determined to stop us with referee decisions, they'll do it without VAR anyway. Remember Wolves away last season? Or rags at home the previous season?

VAR may not help us as much as we would like but it's not something that will worsen our chances to win the leage, not at all.

The hand situation was a freak one and highly unlikely to get repeated this season (in our games).

The pen non-calls are something expected, we got only 4 penalties last season! VAR won't make that worse.

Liverpool scored seevral goals from offside situations last season, this can't happen this season!

We'll win the the league with/despite) VAR too.

 

[give it to gordon]

Was all for VAR as I stupidly thought we would start getting all those penalties we were never given. You live and learn.

I to thought the same, thought VAR would make it an even playing field the same field that the dippers and rags play on .....how stupid was i

 

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

Without VAR we would have had no pen and a goal.

With VAR we had no pen and no goal.

VAR, great addition

Sergio scored a penalty he missed though.....interestingly took again for encroachment the same thing happened when he scored!
Handball I accept if rule applied consistently.
Rodri non pen I can't.......penalty all day.
So far we have gained 1 goal lost 2 goals and cost us two points.

However 29 attempts and two goals says it all. It should have ended 5-2 or 6-2 to city.

 

[hcblue]

I don’t think I am, I think I’m comparing like with like.

The premier league’s own explanation was “Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental.“ That does not mean any goal where in the preceding passage of play the ball touches the hand or arm, it means that the use of the hand or arm must result in, or contribute to the goal being scored. So there is a subjective element that allows for interpretation - namely whether the contact with the hand or arm actually contributes to the goal being scored. Michael Oliver plainly could not have thought the goal was scored as a result of contact with the hand, so unless that decision was clearly and obviously wrong I don’t see why there was any scope for VAR overturning the goal.

Unless the premier league have got the rule wrong?

I think they've done the usual and over-egged what the law says.

The relevant bit for here in the laws is;

gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:

• scores in the opponents’ goal
  
• creates a goal-scoring opportunity
  

I can't see how anyone can suggest that Laporte did either of those things yesterday....