Var debate 2019/20

[alexmcity]

Again, VAR does not diminish City's chances to win the league. It's not something that is there to help the referees skrew us over. They can do it without VAR anyway. The new handball rule is questionable but it wasn't introduced to harm City. We were unlucky that it was applied against us in a big game.

Referees are biased against us for we are so good that we threaten to make the league look uncompetitive and thus destroy a very expensive product. Fans of the Pl want a tight PL race. That's the other side of having an exceptional team, enemies join forces to try to stop us. Isn't that good?

Take a more positive look and enjoy the best team England has seen. Pep knows how to use negative epxeriences to motivate the team to achieve even more.

I'm afraid that some City fans do not believe enough in Pep and the team and think that VAR will stop us. They didn't stop us last season despite numerous questionable or blatantly wrong calls. VAR won't help them to stop us. And even if it helps them, so what? Haven't we already won the league twice in a row with record point tallies? Haven't we already established ourselves as one of the best teams in English football history?

Be optimistic, support the team and enjoy the football our players produce. It's stunning.

 

[Gordyola]

Woul we have won the league last year without VAR. I don't think they would have given the goal at burnley without it, or was it already given before var intervened can't remember.

The goal at Burnley was a factual decision as to whether the ball had crossed the line nothing what so ever to do with the opinion of the VAR who yesterday over ruled the on-field ref, not what VAR was intended for.

We wouldn’t have won the league because they would have used VAR like they are already this season to do us over

 

[Indaparkside]

The goal at Burnley was a factual decision as to whether the ball had crossed the line nothing what so ever to do with the opinion of the VAR who yesterday over ruled the on-field ref, not what VAR was intended for.

We wouldn’t have won the league because they would have used VAR like they are already this season to do us over

Yes it been explained pal, thanks

 

[give it to gordon]

Seeing as the VAR ref is hundreds of miles away why not take the VAR ref away from the fa etc and give it to refs in our countries who hopefully arent as bent as the English ones. After all not one English ref was good enough to ref in the world cup yet we have the best league in the world something doesnt add up. Surely the best league deserves the best refs and that's not happening.

 

[eastmanc]

I just used the Llorente goal as an example for point one, I read the law as saying that if an accidental handball results directly in a goal then it will be disallowed, I.e ball hits the arm and then the leg and then goes straight into the goal with no other interference.
Point two seems to say that if the ball hits an arm accidentally which causes the player to gain control of the ball they then can't score themselves or pass the ball on to create a chance for another player.
Going off these laws the goal shouldn't have been disallowed unless the F.A. have instructed referees to ignore the laws of the game and just go with the easier option of using VAR to disallow anything with any kind of contact whatsoever.

The commentator on Match of the Day said VAR had reviewed the Rodri penalty incident, but decided there was nothing in it.

I call bullshit on that. They never even bothered to look at it.

That was just wrong, I thought VAR was brought in to right clear and obvious mistakes, penalty claim a clear and obvious mistake, not looked at, the handball, and after looking a it for the umpteenth time, inconclusive but the goal is rubbed out. Very poor and it always seems to be us. Agenda anyone ?

 

[mancityscot]

i think everyone wants to see correct decisions, but i think people appreciated that before VAR, decisions went for you and against you. It provided talking points in the pub and you accepted that the speed in which the game is played at meant human error was possible.

VAR has changed all this. The pure raw, euphoric emotion has disappeared and we will now learn to wait with baited breath whether or not a goal will be allowed or disallowed because of some unseen reason.

Rival fans will laugh at us now, but it wont be long before they feel the same way we do right now.

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Yep, the key word is “creates.” It cannot be said that Laporte’s handball created the goal scoring opportunity, I would say.

That official wording implies that it has to be the goalscorer who handles the ball in the act of scoring a goal, which he didn’t.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

By giving it the acronym ‘VAR’, they make it sound high tech, like it’s a computer producing factual calls. But it’s literally just a human being full of his own biases and corruptions, sat 200 miles away, playing reality TV (or reality football, if you will). It’s farcical. They don’t want to make it transparent because they don’t want us to realise it’s got no more technology than before. It’s just replays and drawing lines.

 

[Paladin]

No way on this earth that goal would be chalked off at Anfield or ol Trafford

... Unless the away team score it.

 

[Corky]

City and Pep wanted this. Naive is being kind to them.

 

[Paladin]

VAR when first touted was for clear and obvious errors, neither of our 2 goals this season were clear and obvious errors and so on the original principles, which I still fully support, neither should have been disallowed.

Unfortunately, the animal farm principle has been applied, and VAR is now the referee, this has happened under the radar, it's been a rapidly creeping (didn't even know that was possible) expansion of its influence.

Now, instead of clear and obvious errors, all errors are equal. I confidently expect that, once Liverpool and United find themselves in similar situations to our in the opening 2 games, we will discover that some errors are more equal than others

And that's the only remaining question for me. If we see Liverpool and United given penalties through VAR, or minor handballs ignored, then that will confirm the real reason for VAR.

 

[Gordyola]

More proof that VAR for offside is flawed as discussed on Bluemoon last week

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-2-4cm-offside-allowed-13cm-margin-error.html


Cameras used by VAR run at 50 frames per second. One picture taken every 0.02 seconds. To the human eye, it looks like a moving image.

For offsides, VAR has to choose the frame which shows the ball has categorically been touched. If Frame A shows the boot an inch away from the ball, then VAR has to take the next one in which the ball has definitely been played.

In reality, though, the first point of contact will be somewhere between. And as The Mail on Sunday has calculated, for decisions as tight as Sterling’s, a player can move quickly enough to move from onside to offside. And that’s crucial. It means there is a margin of error. And that margin varies depending how fast attackers and defenders are running.

 

[mosssideblue]

Ffs

Care to expand?

 

[Tricky_Trev]

 

[eastmanc]

At first I thought Jesus was offside from the contact on Laporte. I think it was close, but I’d have to see a replay. That was their plan B.

The Spurs player had hold of Laporte arm that’s why I think it’s inconclusive why wasn’t a foul given instead of a handball.

 

[give it to gordon]

Steve Nicol with his unbiased opinion and other presenter basically saying fuck the City fans!



Games gone

If all games are ref'd like that then what he said is right it was handball. Ok you cant give goals just to please the fans they have to be within the laws of the game !



Oh hang on I was forgetting the years and years of just giving goals to please the rags and dippers fans there !!

 

[simon23]

Steve Nicol with his unbiased opinion and other presenter basically saying fuck the City fans!

Games gone

they are right unfortunately.

the third guy and Nicol do call out the VAR thing on the rodri non penalty......

Neville sums it up quite well here and i think he is right.........

"If I was the referees back in Stockley Park, I'd be happy with the fact they've got the disallowed goal right but the first one [Erik Lamela on Rodri for a penalty in the first half], I think the officials at Stockley Park have to be stronger. I know that they've said it has to be clear and obvious to overrule the on-field referee, but for me that is clear and obvious.

"They've got to have the nerve and the courage to say, no, that is a penalty. We've not quite seen that yet. It's something I felt that day I went to Stockley Park with Jamie Carragher to get an understanding of what VAR was going to be. I felt that they weren't keen on overruling the referee on the pitch, which is right, but they have to overrule decisions like that.

The refs on VAR didnt feel it should be over ruled (the non penalty) - the debate is that they should have and need to be stronger.....have they set the bar too high - possibly - now from my understanding (and i could be wrong here)...if they do say to the ref in this case that he should give the penalty, the ref stops the game and goes tot he pitch side monitor to view it again....he can still not give a penalty at that point or he can change his mind....the final decision is with the ref on the pitch I think

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Great post, I’ve just seen the incident again, the ref was in a great position to see it, he was three yards away and not one Spurs player appealed. How was that a “clear and obvious” mistake?

As you say, it’s only our loss if our fans decide VAR is going to deter their support, the Dippers and Rags will love it, they tried to fuck us over with FFP, failed miserably but it seems they have now got the formula right.

It’s two fingers from me to all the corrupt fuckers trying to derail us, my support is unequivocal.

I agree entirely, the issue is in the heat of the moment you think what is the point! ? Why bother going when all they are going to do is shaft us to try and make the PL more competitive. I thought Oliver had an agenda yesterday from the off. He had a word with spurs players from the off then carded Raheem on a fist minor infringement. Then immediately after just called a foul by a much more cynical foul by a spurs player. He was awful yesterday and I think he knew it was pretty blatant. So far we've had two legit goals chalked off and a penalty appeal not even looked at. VAR isn't being used correctly.

 

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

Apologies if it's been asked and answered previously, but did the penalty incident go to VAR? I don't remember seeing anything on the big screen to say it was being checked or that it had been denied. If it wasn't checked by VAR, who makes that call? Oliver, in this case presumably which, given the way he handled many other decisions it isn't hard to see why it wasn't given.

No it didn't go to VAR.....bizare

 

[bluemcr]

This is going to give pep and the players extra motivation to win everything. We play our best football when we're getting shit on. Bring it on.