Var debate 2019/20

[Paladin]

VAR when first touted was for clear and obvious errors, neither of our 2 goals this season were clear and obvious errors and so on the original principles, which I still fully support, neither should have been disallowed.

Unfortunately, the animal farm principle has been applied, and VAR is now the referee, this has happened under the radar, it's been a rapidly creeping (didn't even know that was possible) expansion of its influence.

Now, instead of clear and obvious errors, all errors are equal. I confidently expect that, once Liverpool and United find themselves in similar situations to our in the opening 2 games, we will discover that some errors are more equal than others

And that's the only remaining question for me. If we see Liverpool and United given penalties through VAR, or minor handballs ignored, then that will confirm the real reason for VAR.

 

[Gordyola]

More proof that VAR for offside is flawed as discussed on Bluemoon last week

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-2-4cm-offside-allowed-13cm-margin-error.html


Cameras used by VAR run at 50 frames per second. One picture taken every 0.02 seconds. To the human eye, it looks like a moving image.

For offsides, VAR has to choose the frame which shows the ball has categorically been touched. If Frame A shows the boot an inch away from the ball, then VAR has to take the next one in which the ball has definitely been played.

In reality, though, the first point of contact will be somewhere between. And as The Mail on Sunday has calculated, for decisions as tight as Sterling’s, a player can move quickly enough to move from onside to offside. And that’s crucial. It means there is a margin of error. And that margin varies depending how fast attackers and defenders are running.

 

[mosssideblue]

Ffs

Care to expand?

 

[Tricky_Trev]

 

[eastmanc]

At first I thought Jesus was offside from the contact on Laporte. I think it was close, but I’d have to see a replay. That was their plan B.

The Spurs player had hold of Laporte arm that’s why I think it’s inconclusive why wasn’t a foul given instead of a handball.

 

[give it to gordon]

Steve Nicol with his unbiased opinion and other presenter basically saying fuck the City fans!



Games gone

If all games are ref'd like that then what he said is right it was handball. Ok you cant give goals just to please the fans they have to be within the laws of the game !



Oh hang on I was forgetting the years and years of just giving goals to please the rags and dippers fans there !!

 

[simon23]

Steve Nicol with his unbiased opinion and other presenter basically saying fuck the City fans!

Games gone

they are right unfortunately.

the third guy and Nicol do call out the VAR thing on the rodri non penalty......

Neville sums it up quite well here and i think he is right.........

"If I was the referees back in Stockley Park, I'd be happy with the fact they've got the disallowed goal right but the first one [Erik Lamela on Rodri for a penalty in the first half], I think the officials at Stockley Park have to be stronger. I know that they've said it has to be clear and obvious to overrule the on-field referee, but for me that is clear and obvious.

"They've got to have the nerve and the courage to say, no, that is a penalty. We've not quite seen that yet. It's something I felt that day I went to Stockley Park with Jamie Carragher to get an understanding of what VAR was going to be. I felt that they weren't keen on overruling the referee on the pitch, which is right, but they have to overrule decisions like that.

The refs on VAR didnt feel it should be over ruled (the non penalty) - the debate is that they should have and need to be stronger.....have they set the bar too high - possibly - now from my understanding (and i could be wrong here)...if they do say to the ref in this case that he should give the penalty, the ref stops the game and goes tot he pitch side monitor to view it again....he can still not give a penalty at that point or he can change his mind....the final decision is with the ref on the pitch I think

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Great post, I’ve just seen the incident again, the ref was in a great position to see it, he was three yards away and not one Spurs player appealed. How was that a “clear and obvious” mistake?

As you say, it’s only our loss if our fans decide VAR is going to deter their support, the Dippers and Rags will love it, they tried to fuck us over with FFP, failed miserably but it seems they have now got the formula right.

It’s two fingers from me to all the corrupt fuckers trying to derail us, my support is unequivocal.

I agree entirely, the issue is in the heat of the moment you think what is the point! ? Why bother going when all they are going to do is shaft us to try and make the PL more competitive. I thought Oliver had an agenda yesterday from the off. He had a word with spurs players from the off then carded Raheem on a fist minor infringement. Then immediately after just called a foul by a much more cynical foul by a spurs player. He was awful yesterday and I think he knew it was pretty blatant. So far we've had two legit goals chalked off and a penalty appeal not even looked at. VAR isn't being used correctly.

 

[Silvas' left eyebrow]

Apologies if it's been asked and answered previously, but did the penalty incident go to VAR? I don't remember seeing anything on the big screen to say it was being checked or that it had been denied. If it wasn't checked by VAR, who makes that call? Oliver, in this case presumably which, given the way he handled many other decisions it isn't hard to see why it wasn't given.

No it didn't go to VAR.....bizare

 

[bluemcr]

This is going to give pep and the players extra motivation to win everything. We play our best football when we're getting shit on. Bring it on.