Var debate 2019/20

oakiecokie said:
The rule itself is as clear as day.

"Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League.

Jesus' goal, technically, was created by the use of Laporte's arm, regardless of whether there was any intent.

The rule was changed after some high-profile goals were scored by the accidental use of a hand last season.

To give three Premier League examples:
Last August, Willy Boly scored for Wolves against Manchester City after the ball touched his arm.Alexandre Lacazette handled in the build-up to Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang's goal for Arsenal at Crystal Palace in October Sergio Aguero used his hand in scoring his third for Manchester City against Arsenal in February
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That may well be what the PL said ... but that is not what Law 12 says anywhere.

Nor does Law 12 differentiate between attackers and defenders in its application.

Law 12 also says it was a penalty for Rodri

Read Law 12 on the FA site .... it’s all there in black and white.
 
gingerprince said:
If, KDB blasts a shot into packed penalty area and it hits aguero on the arm and rebounds back to the halfway line,

Where Eddie then blasts into the net from just inside his own half, would that be a goal or disallowed under the rule.

Obviously a goal wasnt scored directly following agueros contact, eg it didnt rebound into the goal. Now, normally

a ref wouldn't send a player off for a foul around halfway line particularly if he thought other defensive players could

be between the player & the goal, eg he or she would give a yellow as it wouldnt be deemed a goal scoring opportunity.

As Eddie is in his own half with probably all eleven opposition players in front of him, it's not a goalscoring opportunity,

So when does it become a goal scoring opportunity,?

When a goal is scored, as obviously it was an opportunity as he scored or by the same criteria they use to deem red not yellow
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Similarly, if it had hit the defenders arm on Saturday (no penalty as this only applies to the attacker) and got cleared, then Kane volleyed it past Eddie would a goal have stood seeing as they got an advantage from the initial hand ball?
I'm using poetic licence as we all know Kane wouldn't have done that
 
Blue Mist said:
Correct.
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What I still don't get on penalties is "VAR wont overrule/review a referees decision" so why was oliver indicating var told him rodris wasn't a penalty , yet moss pointed straight to the spot when it looked like a clear dive , and var didn't get involved when it looked a refs CLEAR AND OBVIOUS error
 
Blueknows said:
What I still don't get on penalties is "VAR wont overrule/review a referees decision" so why was oliver indicating var told him rodris wasn't a penalty , yet moss pointed straight to the spot when it looked like a clear dive , and var didn't get involved when it looked a refs CLEAR AND OBVIOUS error
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He’s tapping the headset to say “var hasn’t said to check it”

It’s a fucking get out of jail free card for them.

The refs have briefed they won’t use it ffs. Pogba dives tonight, gets a penalty and there’s no check at all.

It’s a joke.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
He’s tapping the headset to say “var hasn’t said to check it”

It’s a fucking get out of jail free card for them.

The refs have briefed they won’t use it ffs. Pogba dives tonight, gets a penalty and there’s no check at all.

It’s a joke.
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It is as out of all decisions awarding/not awarding a penalty (which could and usually does have a major impact on a game) VAR doesn't get involved unless encroachment when taken , its a shambles
 
GeorgeR said:
Maybe this has been pointed out earlier but I looked on the FA website and found a document explaining the changes.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ootball-11-11/2019-2020-law-changes-explained

It lists accidental the ‘handball’ situations which will result in a free kick including this one:
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity.

which as others have pointed out is clearly separating the handball from the player gaining control/possession.
Added to that even Duncan Castles thinks it was the wrong call.
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They identified a problem,boly handball goal v us,the solution should have been var check goals to make sure that doesn't happy,problem solved,the end,instead they have added a whole other layer and changed the rules completely,it should be the same at both ends,either any contact with the hand intentional or not counts or any hand outside the contour of the body is handball,having seperate handball rules means they can disallow lots of goals and give les pens,they needed common sense here not mission creep
 
I thought all pens given were looked at and only if clear and obvious mistake they will get involved and advise to overrule U could argue there wasn’t a clear and obvious error. The issue is when they are not given by the ref and he has missed it. Var is then open to whoever they decide to give penalties for. Which is wrong.
 
blueparsman said:
I thought all pens given were looked at and only if clear and obvious mistake they will get involved and advise to overrule U could argue there wasn’t a clear and obvious error. The issue is when they are not given by the ref and he has missed it. Var is then open to whoever they decide to give penalties for. Which is wrong.
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Well tonight Pogba dived and no contact was made and it never even got looked at. Fixed.
 
Sterling as whu was classed as an offside but Wolves goal was classed as onside from the wing player.. Just shows us how fucking bent and corupt the System as an all îs and why the bent fuckers are after us this season
 
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